100% Skill Activation Rate On Turn 1

[matrix]

Story 23-5


Whale 9-5

[Taon]

Not bad...but the title is slightly misleading; the only person with 100% on turn 1 is Justicia. Your overall skill trigger buff is an added 80%, with 180% on turn 1.

Girls
Nerine: 29% base
Justicia: 38% base
Cymbidium: 30% base
Kale: 28% base
Wax Vine (Xmas): 28% base

Turn 1
Nerine: 81.2%
Justicia: 106.4%
Cymbidium: 84%
Kale: 78.4%
Wax Vine (Xmas): 78.4%

Turn 2:
Nerine: 52.2%
Justicia: 68.4%
Cymbidium: 54%
Kale: 50.4%
Wax Vine (Xmas): 50.4%

Even after the first turn, your girls are still doing well. Pity the skill activation doesn't seem to affect the whaleship.

[Drip]

Actually, with 4 girls giving the 1.2 trigger rate increase and Cymbidium as the fifth girl, you get a trigger multiplier of 3.6 (1.8 for the normal trigger girls added up, times 2 for Cymbidiums' passive, since that one is multiplative, not additive with the normal passive). Next, you simply divide 100% by that 3.6 multiplier to get the minimum base trigger rate the girls need from their skill to get a guaranteed trigger, which is 27.78%. So yes, on turn 1, all of Matrix's girls are guaranteed to trigger.

Which also explains why Cymbidium in my trigger squad has a ~4% chance to miss: I have only 3 regular trigger girls 1.6 * 2 = 3.2 -> 100%/3.2 = 31.25%, and Cymbidiums' skill only goes to a natural trigger rate of 30%. All other girls in my trigger squad have guaranteed triggers (32-34%, so they're above the 31.25% tresshold). Or, 30% * 3.2 = 96%.
Obviously, I'm waiting for Fritillaria's bloom, which gives her a 1.2 trigger multiplier as well.

[Taon]

Actually, with 4 girls giving the 1.2 trigger rate increase and Cymbidium as the fifth girl, you get a trigger multiplier of 3.6 (1.8 for the normal trigger girls added up, times 2 for Cymbidiums' passive, since that one is multiplative, not additive with the normal passive). Next, you simply divide 100% by that 3.6 multiplier to get the minimum base trigger rate the girls need from their skill to get a guaranteed trigger, which is 27.78%. So yes, on turn 1, all of Matrix's girls are guaranteed to trigger.

Which also explains why Cymbidium in my trigger squad has a ~4% chance to miss: I have only 3 regular trigger girls 1.6 * 2 = 3.2 -> 100%/3.2 = 31.25%, and Cymbidiums' skill only goes to a natural trigger rate of 30%. All other girls in my trigger squad have guaranteed triggers (32-34%, so they're above the 31.25% tresshold). Or, 30% * 3.2 = 96%.
Obviously, I'm waiting for Fritillaria's bloom, which gives her a 1.2 trigger multiplier as well.

Where are you getting that Cymbi's ability acts as a separate multiplier? I didn't see this on her unit data here, nor on the DM wikia.

[Drip]

Where are you getting that Cymbi's ability acts as a separate multiplier? I didn't see this on her unit data here, nor on the DM wikia.

Lots of testing I did ages ago. Identical skills turned out to work additive, while different skills proved to be multiplative.

[Ampchan]

Where are you getting that Cymbi's ability acts as a separate multiplier? I didn't see this on her unit data here, nor on the DM wikia.

It is a multiplier that acts after the affection multiplier. This was confirmed by the devs several times when they were questioned.

TBH, if you have both a Cymbi and Dendro, you can place those girls elsewhere. Dendro will normally kill everything first turn and once she has her bloom this will include whale ship as well.

[Taon]

Not necessarily doubting here, I'm just surprised that this info never made it into either repository of info for units. I don't suppose there's any source of a dev confirming this?

I'm inclined to take Drip's word on his testing, but I'd like to play with it myself when I get some time to run trials on this.

The part that amazes me most of all is, if true that Cymbi's ability acts as a secondary multiplier then that is an insane ability for a 6* to have, let alone a 5*, and Cymbidium should be the first non-event 5* people should aim for (waifu considerations aside).

[Zandel]

Not necessarily doubting here, I'm just surprised that this info never made it into either repository of info for units. I don't suppose there's any source of a dev confirming this?

I'm inclined to take Drip's word on his testing, but I'd like to play with it myself when I get some time to run trials on this.

The part that amazes me most of all is, if true that Cymbi's ability acts as a secondary multiplier then that is an insane ability for a 6* to have, let alone a 5*, and Cymbidium should be the first non-event 5* people should aim for (waifu considerations aside).

Cymbidium is the only girl in the game with that x2 on first turn, there are a few with x1.5 on first turn and they work the same way but only for the girl with the skill.
So a 1.8x team with Dendrobium means that Dend gets x2.7.

[Unregistered]

I found this in japan wiki
imgur.com/a/R66cJ