Thread: Which Legendary Spirit is the best?

Originally Posted by President Ramu

Bursting on a stun is an enormous waste.

Stun status gives an innate chance to multi-attack, you never burst when they're stunned. You use your skill and try to get as many multis in as possible. You do considerably more damage with even 2 "normal" attacks, let alone 3-4.

Edit: Oh, I see. When I said "burst damage" earlier I didn't mean actual capital B Burst, I mean instant damage like in everywhere else that's not this game.

No, you're still not getting it. Siegfried has an active skill that multiplies the next attack's damage on a stunned target (4x for a normal attack, 3.5x for a Burst attack). So optimal use of Siegfried (assuming a fully limit-breaked SSR main-hand weapon) requires timing the Burst so it lands while the enemy is stunned. But if another Siegfried Bursts first, the enemy will instantly recover from Stun, nullifying Siegfried's DPS advantage.

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

No, you're still not getting it. Siegfried has an active skill that multiplies the next attack's damage on a stunned target (4x for a normal attack, 3.5x for a Burst attack). So optimal use of Siegfried (assuming a fully limit-breaked SSR main-hand weapon) requires timing the Burst so it lands while the enemy is stunned. But if another Siegfried Bursts first, the enemy will instantly recover from Stun, nullifying Siegfried's DPS advantage.

I've played Siegfried since the first week and you don't even know what all the available characters are, don't talk down to me.

Optimal use of the stun damage up, as I JUST SAID, is on a normal multi-hit attack, NOT A BURST. The damage is HIGHER ON THE REGULAR ATTACK.

It's not even close. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Originally Posted by President Ramu

I've played Siegfried since the first week and you don't even know what all the available characters are, don't talk down to me.

Optimal use of the stun damage up, as I JUST SAID, is on a normal multi-hit attack, NOT A BURST. The damage is HIGHER ON THE REGULAR ATTACK.

It's not even close. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Right, and now this is suddenly an ego contest to you. Believe whatever you want. For the record, ad hominem attacks don't support your arguments. They just make you look petulant and ignorant.

But yeah honestly i tried to figure out what is best between buffing auto-atk and burst, and i'm using it on burst now. The thing is, if your auto-atk doesnt multihit you loose a bunch of damage.

What i usually do when i don't have burst time is auto-atk alone on first stun, and dragon blood+burst on the second.
If you see you wont have enough time to build a burst bar, just buff auto-atk and pray for a multihit.

Originally Posted by Yolodesu

But yeah honestly i tried to figure out what is best between buffing auto-atk and burst, and i'm using it on burst now. The thing is, if your auto-atk doesnt multihit you loose a bunch of damage.

What i usually do when i don't have burst time is auto-atk alone on first stun, and dragon blood+burst on the second.
If you see you wont have enough time to build a burst bar, just buff auto-atk and pray for a multihit.

I did some theorycrafting in the relevant tab of this spreadsheet. Normal attack (turn 1) then Dragon Blood + Burst (turn 2) does more damage than Dragon Blood + Normal attack then Burst (turn 2), even if the normal attack triple-hits. Note that, for the purposes of the analysis, the attack that doesn't use Dragon Blood could have occurred before, after, or during stun. This does NOT yet factor in the increase to party damage resulting from the increased chance of multi-attacks during stun (a phase which would be somewhat shortened by using Burst during Stun). That analysis would require precise knowledge of the rate of multi-attacks: unbuffed, during stun, and during stun with Siegfried's passive applied. But on the other hand, holding a Burst until Stun is over is probably also a bad idea, since then one would likely want to hold it until the next Rage phase is reached.

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

Right, and now this is suddenly an ego contest to you. Believe whatever you want. For the record, ad hominem attacks don't support your arguments. They just make you look petulant and ignorant.

Your pseudo-intellectual bullshit is pointless if you literally dont know the basics of the game. You talk about all this theory and spreadsheets but then you get basic things wrong and *try to correct people with actual experience*. That just makes you questionable across the board.

In regard to the tests above, clearly one should be planning out their cool downs and team comp to have multi-hit and normal attack increasing skills (Like Brynhildr and the Fire Dragoon) prepared for the stun. And making sure to use to get Burst ready for eliminating the Rage meter.

You know, like a good player who actually knows what they're doing would.

which legendary soul should i go for second? got arthur as my first one and have sol in team so i was thinking of skipping andromeda for the time being.

What do you have to work with? Souls are usually most impactful by filling in for some hole(s) in a composition. Mordred's probably the most universal choice remaining with Arthur/healing already covered, but hey, maybe you already have ailments too, who knows.

i got satan+sol+art+mephisto.got some debuffs on satan/mephisto/sol.

Originally Posted by jaimelesmelllons

i got satan+sol+art+mephisto.got some debuffs on satan/mephisto/sol.

Have you considered Siegfried? A bit of a niche soul, but def a boss killer. Just using Tyr for me usually makes bosses go down quick when stunned, adding Siegfried is definitely going to be priority after my first. Unfortunately I've been using my maxed Granular Ale for this event and haven't been working on soul exp toward Mordred. Yes, some of us are still stuck with elite souls