Quote Originally Posted by blubbergott View Post
@Aidoru: Why would you sub out Artemis for a Shingen build? The big advantage of running shingen over other pf builds is that you can run sniper and comfortably hit 50/40 with Michael, Tsuku, Artemis and Sol (or sub out Sol if you need more damage over heal). Without Artemis, you'd still be missing debuffs, unlike with a Herc+Sniper build (which i'm not really all that convinced of yet).
If you mean my 1st paragraph, I should have specified it but I didn't mean that I would swap out Artemis for Micheal using a Shingen build. The Artemis for Micheal swap was for the above posters current team. If going Shingen, I'd make sure to use both Artemis and Micheal, but Micheal still takes higher priority in that build because she's basically required for a full party burst with Provisional Forest. You'd most likely remove Raphael for Artemis, leaving you with Shigen w/ Sniper, Micheal, Sol, Tsukuyomi and Artemis. Yata/Jorm to finish it off for -50% atk/def.

Hercules' set up is more or less the same but more safe because you have the option of Raphael or Eros. You'll most likely use Micheal, Sol, Raph/Eros and Artemis/Tsukuyomi. You don't need to use Sniper Shot. You can use Provisional Forest and use eidolons to make up the lacking debuffs. Herc's burst, Artemis/Tsukuyomi, Vine for -50% def, and Sol, Eros and Jorm/Yata for -50% atk (or 45% with Raph). This also saves, the one who originally asked the question, 50 dollar on a miracle ticket for essentially the same build, assuming he has the eidolons.