Thread: Is it time to riot?

Another point is the usability of the revival unit. Belinda is better than any event unit we've had this year barring maybe Imelia and Claudia for those without a premium princess. She also comes ready made at only 1 copy. The benefit to players without Yuyu really can't be understated.

Even if you don't explicitly need the black spirits past Wall of Magic, the bonus rubies for completion as well as just new content in maps is great. I know I am very much looking forward to spending a bit of time on new maps this month over some of my mind numbing Phalanx 2 farm. Now we just need some more events with a difficult top end to use our better army on.

As an anecdote, I have a min cost Calliope from perfect combines (CR on every copy used) and have 1 extra Calliope in barracks. ~7 months played. I wasn't gunning for witches in recent events to be sure, but you really run out of use for gold spirits from Phalanx 2 long before you get enough Calliopes for 2 min-cost even if you wanted to play it that way assuming freemium. As a light spender I was lucky (unlucky?) enough to roll two blacks and never get a Yuyu and was just reaching the point where I was held back by not being able to do WoM short of spending SC on buff.

Also thx sora, I got him in the other thread :P

@EAB: Witches are also used as AW Fodder for Vampire Hunters, Advance Guards, Mages, Summoners and Princesses. Mincosting Calliope requires 7 spares (100%, 50%x2, 25%x4) on average. Thus, with the numbers you give, you could have ONE min-costed Calliope, nowhere near two.

In general I think the issue is not that people like EAB are upset about revival, it's that the revival didn't come alongside a new event like they do in DMM (hell, I think people would be fine it running alongside a Domination or Drop Rate Up week, at least). Getting revival is a step forward for Nutaku, but not getting a new event as well kind of cancels that step out, at least for some people. That and the timing of it can come across as "Yeah, we screwed up the attempt to take over, here's a bone to chew on in the meantime while we attempt to figure something out"

Originally Posted by IvanLedah21

@EAB: Witches are also used as AW Fodder for Vampire Hunters, Advance Guards, Mages, Summoners and Princesses. Mincosting Calliope requires 7 spares (100%, 50%x2, 25%x4) on average. Thus, with the numbers you give, you could have ONE min-costed Calliope, nowhere near two.

I'd question why you're awakening any of those before clearing WoM to begin with, unless it was an OP unit like Elizabeth, Uzume, Sybilla, or Olivie, in which case, you're probably decently well off in other areas anyway.

Regardless, two or three -2 Calliopes would probably get the job done as well, after buying some buffs. *shrug*

@Eab I think the needing buffs is a sticking point for a lot of people. I know it is for me. Needing to use a month of stamp card SC or half an event just to 2-star skip a challenge feels really bad. Most would probably end up doing it eventually though if they were stuck with a black unit they couldn't level. Though those with a black probably spent for it and throwing a few SC for buff wouldn't be as big a deal. I think it's more a nod toward freemiums who can't level their Saki or rerolled starting black unit.

Eh, I used buffs to 3* clear it because OCD reasons. You'll probably need buffs if you want to reliably clear Dwarfs & Giants 1/2 afterwards anyway (assuming you can even reach those levels before the buffs expire), so it's not that much of a waste.

Though, if not for black fairies, it ultimately depends on how much of a completionist you want to be.

Originally Posted by IvanLedah21

@EAB: Witches are also used as AW Fodder for Vampire Hunters, Advance Guards, Mages, Summoners and Princesses. Mincosting Calliope requires 7 spares (100%, 50%x2, 25%x4) on average. Thus, with the numbers you give, you could have ONE min-costed Calliope, nowhere near two.

In general I think the issue is not that people like EAB are upset about revival, it's that the revival didn't come alongside a new event like they do in DMM (hell, I think people would be fine it running alongside a Domination or Drop Rate Up week, at least). Getting revival is a step forward for Nutaku, but not getting a new event as well kind of cancels that step out, at least for some people. That and the timing of it can come across as "Yeah, we screwed up the attempt to take over, here's a bone to chew on in the meantime while we attempt to figure something out"

it happens to be running alongside a drop rate up week this time around, but unfortunately I don't think a drop rate up week is what we need right now...

anyway...I have a cr2 calliope and cloris as my only witch. I have never seen the need to rush to clear WoM. you can (now) farm black fairies off spirit X/G (for spenders) during x1.5 drop rate events, and you're not in a rush for them if you're not a spender since you probably don't have a lot of blacks to level.

but...the problem is that no new event = not moving forward. revival is a step forward, but no new event (which also means no new girls) is like a step backward. I'd like to have a more consistent forward moving pace plz. revival is not going to be a good thing if it ends up 'break-event-break-revival-break-event' which is what this upcoming maintenance is actually hinting at due to the 1 week break we're having right now.

One thing Aigis tought me is that there is no set event shema found here and theorising already now is beyond any realistic expectations. By the way, at least for me, Belind counts as a new girl. As i wouldve NEVER gotten her if not for the revival.
Its pretty obvious who looks at this as not a step forward and who does and i guess the community will be divided at that point. Simple put.

It's always weird to me when people talk about their mandatory fleet of Calliopes when I have literally zero silver witches at all post Awakening. Anyway, when it comes to Wall of Magic I suspect we underestimate the number of people who threw stronger witches and/or a shop buff at the problem given that many vets already have Belinda and Summon Beast in the Earth had a handful of maps that many newer players weren't going to be able to reasonably 3 star otherwise.

@sora I think you are exaggerating a bit. If we look at this objectively not having a new event unit isn't a step backwards, it is standing still. The revival event is a step forward for newer players and as such the future of the game as a whole. While for you no new event may be disappointing, but realistically it is in no way a step backwards.

I am a relatively new player. My first event was Memento and I was lucky enough to be able to get a slightly improved version of her. I see a lot of people on the forums complaining about break weeks. The months of break at a time is completely understandable to be upset about, but I have an honest question for those who are against breaks altogether. How do you see the future of the game if the only players that are accommodated are the older players. I have seen a lot of games suffer because the games only catered to veteran players. I have quit games because of that. If things went on pace with the DMM version (not catching up, but the same pace) new players would feel the need to have to spend money to be even slightly competitive. I think there is a middle ground that would work better overall for everyone.

In the first place, you're not expected to tackle events outside of maps 1-3 until you've got, say, a solid month of team building. Meaning newbies can only feasibly do farm events for a base cost or -1 unit at best, or get the bare minimum tier in a collection event. Star trials are generally out of the question for people who are still getting started.

But if newbies can't get past that hump, that's on them, not the game. Naturally, the game shouldn't cater to people who can't even stick it out and grind (or pay to grind) for that first month. Most of the people complaining they can't simply jump into an event despite starting just last week end up sounding stupidly entitled to me.

Though this is beside the point as we have the complete opposite case here anyway. The game is so far behind schedule that most of us are stupidly overleveled, and you have people who've only been playing for a fraction of the time complaining that the game is "too fast" for them. There's an obvious disconnect that those people aren't understanding, that the game is meant to reward time spent. Of course it makes sense to cater to veterans then.