The problem is that giving 1 vote to each person is still unfair. It's easy to make another account. If you say new players who only play a few minutes should have as much of a vote as people who have been playing since the start, then people will just make 10 or 100 accounts and vote. A lot of people have accounts just sitting around because of resetting at the start for a 6*, they can easily log in and vote. Yes the current system is not perfect but we have to live with it. The real event is farming tickets for the event girl anyway, the vote is just bonus.

Originally Posted by Zaradai

I can agree with the autorun part, since that means that a person can leave and do other more important. However, some players don't have teams that can go through a map without the help of them pressing the Burst button at the right time. Leaving a mediocre team(teams with units below the boss' level) can be wasteful. Not to mention RNG.

...and yet the most vote-efficient map so far in this event is one easy enough for nearly anyone to autorun. If you can't survive that one without solar blast, you really don't have have enough stamina to burn to need to use autorun.

Originally Posted by Zaradai

I don't think anyone is saying that people shouldn't try to get better; getting better and putting in hard work is entire point of the game. It's just that this can't be considered a popularity contest if one guy behind a screen suddenly has eight times the say as some other guy behind a screen.

Your amount of say is, as I said earlier, entirely under your control.

Originally Posted by Zaradai

It has less to do about the units, It's the fact that we are considered less important than people no different to us.

But we are different than you are. My gameplay method was labeled 'nolife' because I place a higher priority on this game than your co-complainer is willing to place on it. Your importance to the game is in direct proportion to the effort you put into it.

Originally Posted by Zaradai

Why is it that you are "entitled" to decide who is worthy to hold a larger saying than others and yet no else can? And at what point do consider people suddenly worthy of being considered twice, 3 times, even 4 times, the man of someone who just joined? 10 days? 20? 50?

It is not I who decided who is worthy to hold a larger saying...I am merely telling you how it is. It is the game itself which rewards long-term and active players. This is nothing remotely new in gaming.

Originally Posted by Zaradai

I'm registered in these forums, Saertis is registered in forums, you are not. And yet, we listen to what you say, and we disagree. We could say "we've been here longer, you are not entitled to an opinion" yet we don't, since that's not true.

Your forum registrations on a non-Nutaku site certainly make you entitled to more privileges than I am...on this non-Nutaku site. These include name recognition (not important to me) and the ability to edit posts (not normally something I need to do). Congrats on those, I guess. I'll stick with playing the game.

Originally Posted by Zaradai

There honestly wouldn't be a problem if you didn't insult us with the "entitlement" tag. You can't be entitled to to the opinion that this is fair, if we're not entitled to the opinion that it isn't. We are all entitled to discuss till the sun goes down and comes right back up. I am also entitled to tell you, just another person behind a computer, that I feel like the idea that you are entitled to use "entitlement" as a basic insult to a person's right of expression is very hypocritical.

Well then, I suppose nobody can ever use the word entitlement, because bringing up the word itself is hypocrisy. You seem to use it a lot, though.

...and yet the most vote-efficient map so far in this event is one easy enough for nearly anyone to autorun. If you can't survive that one without solar blast, you really don't have have enough stamina to burn to need to use autorun.

The amount of stamina that someone has and the level of their units are not directly related, so saying that not having a strong team means you don't have enough stamina to burn may not be true.

Your amount of say is, as I said earlier, entirely under your control.

Yes, that is true, the player puts in the effort they want. But I don't believe having different amounts of say like this makes it a "popularity" contest, as those work differently.

But we are different than you are. My gameplay method was labeled 'nolife' because I place a higher priority on this game than your co-complainer is willing to place on it. Your importance to the game is in direct proportion to the effort you put into it.

I do see your point there. Your saying that the difference is in contribution to the game. I admit, that is a difference and I misunderstood that. However, This part of importance is more of a difference in ideals and beliefs, but I understand what you mean.

It is not I who decided who is worthy to hold a larger saying...I am merely telling you how it is. It is the game itself which rewards long-term and active players. This is nothing remotely new in gaming.

Point taken. You were indeed stating a fact. It doesn't change my opinion that that feels a bit wrong. If I'm understanding you, then, you feel that that is the right way to do things. My point stands that you are entitled to your opinion.

Your forum registrations on a non-Nutaku site certainly make you entitled to more privileges than I am...on this non-Nutaku site. These include name recognition (not important to me) and the ability to edit posts (not normally something I need to do). Congrats on those, I guess. I'll stick with playing the game.

That doesn't exactly mute my point. You feel those things are unimportant. You comment and contribute to the discussion, but you don't commit totally to the forum. A parallel would be someone who joins FKG, plays daily, but won't fully commit to grinding one area for more voting tickets. Now the thought that because I don't entirely dispose of your opinion means that a whole company should do the same for a playerbase is a silly ideal, so I understand if you dismiss this.

Well then, I suppose nobody can ever use the word entitlement, because bringing up the word itself is hypocrisy. You seem to use it a lot, though

You seem to have misunderstood what I meant in that statement. I said that using the word, entitlement, as an insult to people who are expressing their honest opinion is hypocritical, because you would have to feel entitled to the opinion that my opinion didn't count. The word itself is fine, it's the way you used it that was hypocritical.

Originally Posted by Zaradai

Yes, that is true, the player puts in the effort they want. But I don't believe having different amounts of say like this makes it a "popularity" contest, as those work differently.

One last thing here...I have yet to hear of any popularity contest which was completely fair to everyone involved. It's so typical that the term 'popularity contest' has become an epithet. It wasn't 'fair' to the normally popular people in my high school when the band/orchestra kids all collaborated in an unbeatable voting bloc to elect their own people for homecoming court instead of letting the same usual few popular kids get what they'd always assumed they deserved, but they simply followed the rules established by the owners of the contest.

In FKG, it's not fair to the event girls who can't participate (and who would probably dominate). It's not fair to the DMM players, who may not get any of our redesigned girls (unless we're completely stupid and vote for the same girls they did, which...we seem determined to do). It's not fair to the people who will never roll any of the winners in the gacha (including me, probably). If you're stuck on the term 'popularity contest,' well...you're right. It isn't a straight popularity contest. That technicality doesn't matter, because it's just a name. Would you really feel better if they called it a 'long term and active player weighted reward voting event?'

Besides, there are many veterans who are voting not based on their own desires, but based on the will of the Harem Time group. My preferred flower knight won't make it, so I'm putting my votes on the one girl we all decided could upset the 5-6* applecart.

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Originally Posted by Pangalan

No Yulan on the top 10 list... That is a crime. There should be more 2* and 3* up there but I guess the rest of the community is unaware of how the contest works and how it may benefit them if they vote for the lower * girls.

If it is a crime, Nutaku would have a right to ban and report to the police about the players who has already vote character who is 4* rarity above . But that doesn't explain why Nutaku would want include a character who 4* rarity and above in the voting booth in the first place.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

If it is a crime, Nutaku would have a right to ban and report to the police about the players who has already vote character who is 4* rarity above. But that doesn't explain why Nutaku would want include a character who 4* rarity and above in the voting booth in the first place.

The police have already stated that they do not wish to be involved in the matter this time around, after the disaster that happened at DMM last year. So many were falsely arrested, they lost a large amount of players and the whole community had to take a few days simply to recover. We should be fine though.

Originally Posted by JessMini

The police have already stated that they do not wish to be involved in the matter this time around, after the disaster that happened at DMM last year. So many were falsely arrested, they lost a large amount of players and the whole community had to take a few days simply to recover. We should be fine though.

If police does not want to involve in this matter, it's hard to consider a crime since no one would be penalized.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

If police does not want to involve in this matter, it's hard to consider a crime since no one would be penalized.

It's only recent, that's the point. Back when the game was only available in DMM it was indeed a crime, but it has since been legalized. The police do still frown upon it, but since it's no longer a crime, they really can't do anything about it.

Looking at the results - GG - it's all over

Ok I understand Orchid....I'm tempted to just say screw this noise and throw all in with Orchid

I have NO idea why it's gone this way....maybe a few dedicate whales really want a redesign, maybe numbskulls think they'll get her

The best 'choice is' Cepha - who is 12,000 short

:-/

If someone can tell me how we got to this state please...

Originally Posted by Miu

The problem is that giving 1 vote to each person is still unfair. It's easy to make another account. If you say new players who only play a few minutes should have as much of a vote as people who have been playing since the start, then people will just make 10 or 100 accounts and vote. A lot of people have accounts just sitting around because of resetting at the start for a 6*, they can easily log in and vote. Yes the current system is not perfect but we have to live with it. The real event is farming tickets for the event girl anyway, the vote is just bonus.

Honestly, this is a good summary of the discussion. The game caters to the "whales" that spend money on FGs to spin gacha and refill their stamina. Maybe BB IS that popular, maybe it's just a few whales being idiots that have too much money, IDK. The point is, if you don't have the time to play the event missions over and over and/or the money to spend FGs on stamina refills to keep re-running the event maps, Nutaku/FKG devs don't care if you feel your opinion is undervalued. They keep their games running based on making money, and if they piss off some people who don't spend much on the game, oh well, the whales that love their BB, Orchid, etc. are still paying and playing, and that's what they care about.

That said, the presence of Orchid and Cactace is an entirely separate issue that COULD cause concern, especially given how poorly the event was explained. If the uniformed masses find out they wasted their tickets on Orchid when we will get her anyways, Nutaku COULD have a LOT of people complaining. Whether you want your darling 2/3* upgraded to a usable 5/6* or you love a 5/6* so much you want a 2nd version of her is irrelevant to the QUANTITY of 5/6*s in the game. Missing out on one entirely due to developer laziness, on the other hand... THAT is an issue the vast majority of gamers can get behind, regardless of whether your waifu got a new version or not.

i'm submissive type someone tell who to throw all my tickets at