You're confusing pay-to-waifu with pay-to-win.Originally Posted by smr
Even then, ignoring the guaranteed rainbow deals, whaling with FGs wouldn't even guarantee that you'd get a rainbow, much less the waifu you wanted.
When Nutaku actually hands out deals and freebies that benefit all players, not just paying ones, and you still complain, then yeah, obviously there's a sense of misplaced entitlement here.
Bitching about this ticket is basically like saying you'd never want this freebie to happen again, never mind the tons of free players who just got their first rainbow today without having to deal with the usual bullshit 0.5% rates.
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Last edited by Eab1990; 12-23-2016 at 08:19 PM.
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FKG and every nutaku/dmm game is a P2W game. I'm not sure if you think it's because there's no PvP mechanics or something but paying players have a huge advantage over non-paying customers in this and every other of their games. That's a given fact. You will never stand equal to a paying player if you play free, especially not in the nutaku versions.
They don't even need to worry about getting their 'waifus' cause they probably already did with one of the many paid events.
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Prior to the guaranteed deals, it definitely wasn't P2W except to the whaliest of whales, and even then, the rates are too horrible to even consider the minimal advantage to be worth it. Unless you're waterfk and you literally give no shits about your wallet.
Ask anyone else who whaled on FGs in the first few months, myself included, and they'd tell you the same thing. To even consider FKG to be a P2W game along the lines of any other gacha game is insanity. The entire reason for FKG being as popular as it is on both Nutaku/DMM is because it ISN'T P2W.
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Facebook isnt really an ideal platform to judge reactions from updates simply because we do not assume everyone uses it.
"Waifuism" also applies to maxing out stats with Ampoules, im sure you know these are buyable in infinete quantities therefore pay to win Please do not argue this fact.
I am neutral in this matter, its simply an observation made at Nutaku's order of business.
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It only seemed that way during early release because there wasn't much deals to go on with yet but even then, the second you purchase flower gems or spend nutaku gold for the game, you already have an advantage over a free player, whether it be extra character slots, stamina refills or whatever. Sure free players can spend the ones they get in-game too but that means sacrificing FGs they could be to use gacha while those paying customers not only get the FGs obtainable ingame but FGs obtainable via cash and cash itself to spend on special deals.
It is a PW2 game.
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Ampies are farmable normally and aren't even in short supply, not to mention that buying ampies here is a complete ripoff. Originally Posted by smr
In time, everyone will have a few maxed out units. Ffs, even DMM players have the luxury to max out several GRASS units, and they don't have our "buy ampies with FG" model.
This is all beside the point as feeding ampies only serves to boost your max TP, which in the long run means nothing except bragging rights. When everything in the game is clearable without spending a dime and there's no real competition to speak of, it is by definition NOT P2W.
That's like saying KanColle is P2W because paying players can marry multiple shipwaifus, even though it's hardly necessary for the content of the game.
Originally Posted by Aidoru
What part of "pay to waifu", not "pay to win" was not clear?
You said it yourself. All players will get the FGs to max their slots or refill their stamina in due time. Paying players have the luxury to gamble their FGs, which does nothing except leave it to RNG and end up getting nothing but bronzes and silvers 90% of the time anyway.
Because in the end, FKG has shit gacha rates that we all tolerate because they provide plenty of free stuff elsewhere. Any gacha waifus we want, we leave to luck or shell out money for the guaranteed sales. And that does nothing as far as actually *winning*, because gold gacha girls don't completely outpace event girls and rainbow girls are complete overkill for the content of the game.Last edited by Eab1990; 12-23-2016 at 08:58 PM.
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Originally Posted by Eab1990
The fact that pay to waifu is no different than pay to win.
All players gets FG, paying players get more. Just because paying players take more risks with gacha doesn't mean free players don't take those risks either and paying players have even more advantages with guaranteed sales. Complaining about shit rates is irrelevant when that applies to everyone.
Hey man, I'd like to have 500 character slots and equipment slots but I'm over here saving up my measly 1~10 flower gems a week from new events just to try get 1 11roll gacha every couple months.
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Well, it's no wonder you guys are entitled as fuck if that's what you honestly think. Originally Posted by Aidoru
Guess we're done here.
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My responses had nothing to do with people complaining or being entitled, it was entirely about your remark saying the game wasn't a P2W game. Though honestly, at this point, you're just as guilty with how much you felt the need complain about shit rates for paying players which isn't only for them. Originally Posted by Eab1990
And FYI, I'm not a free player nor am I defending them.
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I personally don't consider this game particularly P2W. You can make quite good progress at building squads, clearing levels, etc. just with event girls and gacha golds from free FGs. Yes, putting money into it will give you an edge, but I find less issue with that in a single player (non PvP) game. Yes, I've put a bit of money into it; I currently have 17 golds (6 event, 11 non-event) and 2 rainbows. Of the 11 non-event golds, 6 are from free FGs and this ticket. I've only been playing for just over a month; over a longer term even a F2P player who is diligent can build girls strong enough to clear any level they want to.
I've played some other games (some nutaku) which are blatantly P2W - past a certain point, additional progress becomes either pay or a completely unreasonable grind. FKG not so much.
Would I have been happier if my draw had been a rainbow or a gold that I wanted more? sure. But I can make do with what I get.Last edited by kringley; 12-23-2016 at 08:57 PM.
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