[Merry Christmas] 5+ Star Gacha Ticket Plus Thread

[Zandel]

Just going to put this here because some people seem to have no real knowledge about gaming.

The Term Pay-to-Win does not in fact require any form of 'win' to be true.
It's quite simple people, If you can pay to get something better, exclusive, faster or at a higher chance than you otherwise would have been able too, then it's pay to win.

ALL nutaku games are pay to win period. It's how they do business.
The amount of difference you get by paying can be very different tho.

FKG is an interesting P2W game because while the rewards for paying are indeed quite good they are not required to see / unlock all of the games content. This is one of the main reasons I still play this game even tho it is P2W.

[Eab1990]

The Term Pay-to-Win does not in fact require any form of 'win' to be true.
It's quite simple people, If you can pay to get something better, exclusive, faster or at a higher chance than you otherwise would have been able too, then it's pay to win.

Again, that's not P2W any more than Overwatch is P2W. It doesn't matter if you get stuff faster if that stuff doesn't make a difference to anyone else. Cosmetics aren't P2W. No PVP means no P2W.

[Zandel]

Again, that's not P2W any more than Overwatch is P2W. It doesn't matter if you get stuff faster if that stuff doesn't make a difference to anyone else. Cosmetics aren't P2W. No PVP means no P2W.

Once again showing your lack of knowledge. FKG allows you to access GAME CONTENT not just cosmetics MUCH faster if you PAY real money. That, by definition, is PAY-TO-WIN!

[Drip]

Once again showing your lack of knowledge. FKG allows you to access GAME CONTENT not just cosmetics MUCH faster if you PAY real money. That, by definition, is PAY-TO-WIN!

What game content which is not cosmetic exactly? Any player can reach "capable of clearing any map" state within a month. The biggest hurdles to take are manyus and gold, to level up a couple of 3* and 4* girls. That's all it takes to progress in the game. Spending money to get more 5* and 6* girls won't make a difference, they only take the place of the 3* and 4* girls when wondering "what to level up", but hardly (if at all) make the game progress faster. Every manyu they spend on leveling a 5* is NOT spent on leveling a 2*, 3* or 4*, while someone who doesn't have that 5* will level a 2*, 3* or 4* instead.

[Dorei0sama]

What game content which is not cosmetic exactly? Any player can reach "capable of clearing any map" state within a month. The biggest hurdles to take are manyus and gold, to level up a couple of 3* and 4* girls. That's all it takes to progress in the game. Spending money to get more 5* and 6* girls won't make a difference, they only take the place of the 3* and 4* girls when wondering "what to level up", but hardly (if at all) make the game progress faster. Every manyu they spend on leveling a 5* is NOT spent on leveling a 2*, 3* or 4*, while someone who doesn't have that 5* will level a 2*, 3* or 4* instead.

Arguing if fkg is a p2w game is like discussion if league of legend (a f2p moba game) is a p2w game. In lol, every champion and rune can be buy though game money. However, you can shorten the process of getting those by using real money, that makes the a p2w game. In fkg, although the map is easy to clear even with 3* and 4* star girl, 6 * are stronger than any fkg and harder to get and can easily be obtained by using real money, that make this game a p2w game.

[Rupturez]

Arguing if fkg is a p2w game is like discussion if league of legend (a f2p moba game) is a p2w game. In lol, every champion and rune can be buy though game money. However, you can shorten the process of getting those by using real money, that makes the a p2w game. In fkg, although the map is easy to clear even with 3* and 4* star girl, 6 * are stronger than any fkg and harder to get and can easily be obtained by using real money, that make this game a p2w game.

I think it's already very much debatable if league is a p2w game, but even if it is it's insanity to compare it to fkg.
League of legends its gameplay is entirely based around PvP, every single aspect. In FKG there is zero nada.

Let me ask you guys, do you consider dungeon defenders is a p2w game? Dungeon defenders is a tower defense in which players stop npcs from destroying their crystal by building towers with a champion. The towers you can make are based on the champion you play. The standard "free" champions (you have to buy the basic game after all) can clear every content in the game, but some champions need to be bought with DLC to use. Do you consider this p2w, or is it simpely paying for more gameplay options?

[Dorei0sama]

I think it's already very much debatable if league is a p2w game, but even if it is it's insanity to compare it to fkg.
League of legends it's gameplay is entirely based around PvP, every single aspect. In FKG there is zero nada.

Let me ask you guys, do you consider dungeon defenders is a p2w game? Dungeon defenders is a tower defense in which players stop npcs from destroying their crystal by building towers with a champion. The towers you can make are based on the champion you play. The standard "free" champions (you have to buy the basic game after all) can clear every content in the game, but some champions need to be bought with DLC to use. Do you consider this p2w, or is it simpely paying for more gameplay options?

Game like candy crush is also debatable to be p2w, people buy boosting item to win a stage. It's paying some item to win. I havent play dungeon defender but if you buy a new character that affect gameplay - making it easier to kill the bot, then it's pay to win.

End note, FKG is enjoyable because i like character design.

[Eab1990]

There's really no helping you guys at this point. If you can't see how rainbows, or even gacha golds, are not required for you to enjoy this game to the fullest (barring waifuism, hence "pay to waifu" for the umpteenth time), then you should probably move to other mobage and see how shitty those get without paying.

[warf]

fkg is p2w. That doesn't mean that we don't want to play it, or that p2w is a "bad" thing. But fkg is p2w.

[Zandel]

What game content which is not cosmetic exactly? Any player can reach "capable of clearing any map" state within a month. The biggest hurdles to take are manyus and gold, to level up a couple of 3* and 4* girls. That's all it takes to progress in the game. Spending money to get more 5* and 6* girls won't make a difference, they only take the place of the 3* and 4* girls when wondering "what to level up", but hardly (if at all) make the game progress faster. Every manyu they spend on leveling a 5* is NOT spent on leveling a 2*, 3* or 4*, while someone who doesn't have that 5* will level a 2*, 3* or 4* instead.

Stam / raid boss refills can be bought with RL cash and they speed up the game to an amazing extent. With enough money you could clear the game content in under a week. While it's true that anyone can lvl their girls and complete the game given enough time and while it's true that given enough time you could (with enough luck) gain all the girls in the game as well. The fact that Money makes it faster is what I was refering too.

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Thats the main question, that can be split in multiple lesser ones, but ultimately it always boils down to the "Do I get a bigger UMPF from this when I spend some dosh ?"

And this is what Eab seems to miss, spending cash in FKG can give you more stam which translates into more girl levels hence more 'UMPF'.

Personally I don;t mind the P2W model they are using because it's really only for impatient people. For me i'll spend some dosh here and there on a few girls I like but for me it's about getting what I want not making the game easier / faster.

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There's really no helping you guys at this point. If you can't see how rainbows, or even gacha golds, are not required for you to enjoy this game to the fullest (barring waifuism, hence "pay to waifu" for the umpteenth time), then you should probably move to other mobage and see how shitty those get without paying.

FYI I never said anything about rainbows or gatcha golds. I was just pointing out to you that FKG is indeed a P2W game by definition. I actually find it strange that you have so much trouble being able to see the truth. Guessing based on your name, you are 26 years old and thus should easily be able to tell that if you pay money into this game you will gain an advantage over others (thus P2W).