Originally Posted by Taon

1) So when I counter your argument, your response is to fall back to objecting being called "spoiled". Fair enough, but to be clear, I never called anyone spoiled, only their arguments. It's the difference between fact and opinion; I don't know you or anyone else here enough to be able to factually claim that you are spoiled but I can characterize the tone of an argument as "spoiled" because that is how it seems to me.

2) You certainly have a right to complain about things you object to. But I don't agree that you have a right to engage in hyperbole and aggressive tones when doing so. That said, I'm pretty sure that Nutaku isn't making changes for the sake of their veterans or at least not the unprofitable ones.

3) Yeah, I didn't miss the word "just", it's just that once I discarded your silly notion of "fracturing the playerbase" as an actual business reason, there was just the "making a quick buck" part left.

4) Again this is pointless speculation. What is anyone being shut out of that they wouldn't be just as shut out of if the system weren't there? Would you argue that people who can't log in daily shouldn't fall behind on daily rewards or lengthen the time before they get 6* Alstroe Maria? I could see if the rewards were pretty egregious, but since no one knows what they are then why are you going full-on doomsayer?


I thought I made it obvious that I didn't know what it was. Was I just not clear enough or was this just another one of your emotional arguments?

I *did* address your counterpoint, it's just that it was largely irrelevant to begin with. You falling back on name-calling doesn't help your case.

I already noted the key differences between Nutaku and DMM (less freebies, more sales). That doesn't excuse the fact that there was no reason for this new mechanic to be put in place.

I haven't been arguing what the rewards at all, though I've certainly considered the worst possible outcomes. No, I'm concerned with what the game will devolve into, and if it'll go down the likes of how X-Overd failed.

What hyperbole? Sure, I took things to its logical conclusion, but does that really change anything in my argument? If the race for highest TP devolves into a "Dendrobium or bust" contest and all other units become irrelevant, does that *really* promote a good change in the game? Of course not.

And if you don't know what one of the biggest browser mobage is, which I intended to use as *the* example of most F2P-friendly game, then I'm seriously doubting this conversation is even worth having, since you clearly don't have a metric with which to gauge what is and isn't bad business practice for mobage.

In the meantime, I guess we're just going to ignore posts like this because "I'm being a doomsayer and mean to Nutaku devs."

Originally Posted by Unregistered

There are many other examples of poorly received systems being revamped or removed, and this kind of attitude is precisely why FKG has an incredibly loyal player base on the DMM side, all development is user-centric and tries to eliminate player complaints rather than offering an endless menagerie of excuses and damage control attempts. So yeah, here's hoping that Nutaku realizes what makes this game so popular, and either changes or decides against implementing this ranking rewards mechanic that has most of the community in an uproar.