List of things corrected by mass hysteria on FKG: Asagao's censoring, Lavender's scene, stupid made-up names for flower knights

List of things corrected by "waiting and seeing" (read: allowing Nutaku to go ahead with their more questionable ideas) on FKG: ??????

On the whole, I'd say mass hysteria is a pretty good way for players to get things done. Rage on, folks.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

List of things corrected by mass hysteria on FKG: Asagao's censoring, Lavender's scene, stupid made-up names for flower knights

List of things corrected by "waiting and seeing" (read: allowing Nutaku to go ahead with their more questionable ideas) on FKG: ??????

On the whole, I'd say mass hysteria is a pretty good way for players to get things done. Rage on, folks.

I could put on a pink tutu and do the Macarena in my living room. Not sure it would accomplish much, though.

Unless I've missed a memo, these forums are unofficial forums; they're not sponsored by Nutaku, nor likely browsed by them. They most topics here can do is raise awareness amongst the players who come here. So raising a stink here will not directly affect *anything*.

Indirectly, sure. Hell, before I read this topic, I didn't know about the impending ranking-based rewards. I'm glad I found out about that. But a bunch of pointless bickering and back-and-forth? No, none of the "rage" on here really does anything except act as troll bait for the other half of the argument. Good for pageviews, perhaps, but if you're looking to "get things done", it ranks only slightly higher than "pink tutu Macarena" (and only slightly prettier).

...Nothing I've seen yet is cause for alarm. Worry, sure, but not Chicken Little alarm. Again, we don't know what the rewards are going to be. Could they be something that breaks the game, like exclusives and power creep? Perhaps. They could also be something benign, like bonus gems and tickets. The global rankings themselves, and the concept of ranking-based rewards, are *not* intrinsically bad. And I say that as someone who will most definitely never win a single worthwhile reward off of them.

If we actually want to "do something" about this, then flailing about and screaming to remove the rankings, and predicting death and destruction, are pointless. It's all too easy for someone like Nameless to write off those complaints as "impossible to please" and "generic doomsaying" respectively, and go off and do whatever stupid plan he's cooking up. Rather, go to Discord when one of them is on, and instead stress the things we *don't* want - we don't want ranking-based rewards that would break the game for anyone who can't throw half their paycheck at the screen. That's it, that's all.

Anything else is pointless, and will accomplish absolutely nothing.

Meh... Guys you are missing the big picture here... we asked for TP Ranking back and we got it back.... this is a GOOD thing and has no bad points at all. Sure the new ranking has irrelevant data like how much XP you are through your level but w/e it looks better then the old one and is much clearer.

And hey if they add a global ranking then more power to them, it doesn't effect 90% of the player base anyway as we all know if you don't have 20 6*s you will not be near the top.

So the whales get a new fancy dick ruler and the game gets more cash from them fighting with each other meaning the game will stay open longer and we who do not whale will get to play for longer how is that a bad thing?

Originally Posted by Zandel

Meh... Guys you are missing the big picture here... we asked for TP Ranking back and we got it back.... this is a GOOD thing and has no bad points at all. Sure the new ranking has irrelevant data like how much XP you are through your level but w/e it looks better then the old one and is much clearer.

And hey if they add a global ranking then more power to them, it doesn't effect 90% of the player base anyway as we all know if you don't have 20 6*s you will not be near the top.

So the whales get a new fancy dick ruler and the game gets more cash from them fighting with each other meaning the game will stay open longer and we who do not whale will get to play for longer how is that a bad thing?

As stated, the same thing happened to X-Overd. The main thing to take from that is stop doing stuff that will piss the devs off. Nutaku went astray and that was the reason for devs to pull X-Overd out, the same thing can happen here too. It's to err on the side of caution.

Putting competition where there is no need for it is not more power to them, it's a way to cash grab more in the event that this game too is dropped.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

If we actually want to "do something" about this, then flailing about and screaming to remove the rankings, and predicting death and destruction, are pointless. It's all too easy for someone like Nameless to write off those complaints as "impossible to please" and "generic doomsaying" respectively, and go off and do whatever stupid plan he's cooking up. Rather, go to Discord when one of them is on, and instead stress the things we *don't* want - we don't want ranking-based rewards that would break the game for anyone who can't throw half their paycheck at the screen. That's it, that's all.

Anything else is pointless, and will accomplish absolutely nothing.

Already a step ahead of you. I've PM'd this thread to them.

Originally Posted by kringley

At the same time Eab, for someone who didn't see the Discord argument, you're coming off with a very aggressive and off-putting tone. I mean I only have a vague idea of what KanColle is and sure that means you can't just point at it and say 'this should be like that' but it doesn't mean that discussion is pointless.

So are we just going to ignore posts like this? Don't pretend this aggressiveness is one-sided.

Originally Posted by Bloodsport Bloom

Good b8 m8.

I'm saying FKG community is like a prissy wife. This thread is a testament to that.
I've said my two cents worth.

For the record, I would have left after five minutes. Nameless doesn't owe us jack shit, and I'm surprised he gave us that much time considering the reaction he was given to giving us back a feature everyone spent a month begging for.

Originally Posted by Eab1990

So are we just going to ignore posts like this? Don't pretend this aggressiveness is one-sided.

Who's pretending? There wasn't even any real point besides posturing there (In Bloodsport Bloom's post).
At the same time, you've got Mindrunner for whom about every other post amounts to "Nameless kicked my dog and took my lunch money" which is also not useful.
I was just saying that because past a point, aggressive arguing can push people away from positions they might otherwise support.
And although I'm in a kind of wait and see when it comes to this ranking list, I certainly don't think it really adds anything useful to the game.
As long as it doesn't stop me from running normal events, collecting and upgrading girls, etc. though, it won't really take anything away from me either.

Well, like I said, all dissent was being shut out on Discord, so if I have to be a little more abrasive here to vent, then so be it.

And if I have to deal with the same amount of stupidity as I did on Discord, then that's not going to help matters either.

Only one person bothered to discuss the points I made about "Dendrobium master race", and Taon admitted as much that he doesn't have an alternate solution, so at best he's appealing to emotion and doesn't have an actual counterargument.

Originally Posted by Eab1990

Well, like I said, all dissent was being shut out on Discord, so if I have to be a little more abrasive here to vent, then so be it.

And if I have to deal with the same amount of stupidity as I did on Discord, then that's not going to help matters either.

Only one person bothered to discuss the points I made about "Dendrobium master race", and Taon admitted as much that he doesn't have an alternate solution, so at best he's appealing to emotion and doesn't have an actual counterargument.

Okay, I know I said I was done beating the horse here, but me saying "I don't have an ideal solution" isn't an appeal to emotion; it's saying, literally, "I don't have an ideal solution".

But is that the same thing as not having a counterargument? No; in fact I made the counterargument, I just didn't have a specific method in mind when I mentioned tweaking the TP calculations.

I don't work for Nutaku; it isn't my job to find specific solutions. At the same time, I don't have to find the solution to know that one exists; it's not like FKG is quantum physics or curing world-wide illiteracy. But I do know the solution cannot be to launch an emotional crusade against the perceived evil, money-grubbing company.

And now I really am done with this.

If you don't have an actual solution to the TP calculation, it's the same thing as not having a solution at all.

This isn't a difficult concept.

This is a hell of a thread...took me quite a while to read every post so in the spirit of community discussion, I'll throw my $0.02 on the table too. I'm relatively new to this game and Nutaku in general and I play it as I presume it's supposed to be played: Login, get daily login bonus, run some maps till I run out of stamina, pound some raid bosses until all points are gone, try to complete some daily quests (but never all), collect winnings, and level/equip/play free gatchas based on goodies I received during playing. Maybe an hour or so a day. I'm so noob to this genre, I had to actually (and unashamedly) ask what a waifu is and was told the whole point of the game was collecting them aka Pokemon style, except for adults. And only girls. Hot girls at that who want to bang you every chance they get. I'm in on that.

So rankings are blah blah blah to me personally. I'll never whale into the top 50 so I don't really care per se. I have been in other games where, yes, rewards are ranking based. I guess it is truly a matter of perspective. Some may remember a previous thread where I explained the MMORPG world I come from and what a whale actually is to me. There's no way, for example (in said totally different game) I was going to spend $1,000US+ in one weekend event to get the top tiered spender award. Yes, you read that correctly- $1K. The game had a Big Spender event maybe 2-3 times a year for massive rewards but a massive buy in. I didn't give a shit because instead of spending money I built my character, intelligently taking the time to understand the game's mechanics and build my character to compete (and mostly defeat) the whales. So because I did this, I never felt at a disadvantage. So I din't have the "big shiny thing" the whales had...big deal...it's pretend and doesn't exist anyway, so what do I care???? The game closed after a solid 6 year run and it served it's purpose. It entertained me for 6 years straight. And it was over, character gone, items gone, and nothing to show for it because, hey, it's a game. No more, no less. And I moved on with my life because that's how it goes and I still talk to gaming friends from there on facebook or whatever.

I can't believe that everyone is freaking out about the game MAYBE closing.
Guys, here's a sober reality for you. EVERY GAME CLOSES. Hell, even EA took games offline that were popular and naturally caused a huge row, but I don't see EA going out of business. There's maybe 3 or 4 I can think of that aren't completely bot/hacker infested that are still online and those are directly due to the fact that they are monthly subscription games AND the publisher is also the developer ( a VERY VERY important thing to understand in this gaming space of F2P games). Every F2P game I have ever played in the last 15 years has closed without exception, no matter how popular and how many whales there are. I take this knowledge then, going into every game I play. I'll throw some cash at it to help the game continue if I like it, or grab a unit/equip/vanity thing I like and that's it. It's not an investment, there's no guarantee just because you feel you spend a certain amount every month that the server will stay open indefinitely.

The game will end at some point. Period. Accept it. The reason they give you for it closing will be stupid. Accept that too.

Understand that if you want, say Daisy, and you throw enough cash to hit the gatcha up a million times to get her, then you better level her, evolve her, and screenshot every dam picture/love scene you want of her because she's going away and all that cash you threw at it is gone along with her. I did this for the units I had in Girls Kingdom (I thought it was interesting, a hentai Clash of Clans as it were) when I saw it was closing so now I have a small hentai collection from that game (only because I started it about 3 months before it closed), which really is the point, so collect those waifus and don't sweat the changes as long as they aren't game breaking, and if they are, remember, it's only a game, no more, no less.