Thread: What Soul to Unlock?

Originally Posted by fucka

Arthur
Solomon
Another endgame soul. You don't need to consider her under rank 70.
unlike most people believe, SHE is not weak!!!
Her ability scales best with the increase of your +% atk from weapons and element. Further, new kamis with ability hitting up to 6-8 times will be released. Ability up works best with them.
We take 20% ability up as example:
If the ability hits 8 times for 1x dmg, 20% means 8x20% = 160% increase in total!. Solomon ring hits also 6 times, thats 120% by 20% ability up. In addition, you could use the EX buff from Rosenkreuz (40% abilty up).
With new kamis hitting like mashineguns, Solomon lead becomes godlike.
Unfornately, strong hitter like shiva, whose ability only hits one time for 5x dmg or similar, doesn't benefit a lot from ability up. 20% up means, 5.2x dmg instead of 5.0.

Ability has its own multiplier, the higher +% attk from weapons and elelement are, the more you will benefit from ability up. You will feel the difference when you reach the endgame. +100% attk and more through weapons and +80% up and more through element.

what are you even talking about? Solomon ability up affects ONLY her and nobody else. She is useless for the team. As for the element dmg stacking into endgame, that is precisely the reason why Solomon suck: her 2nd ability does 1 hit with each element, for a total of 6 hits but when you are completely focused on fire, or dark, or whatever, only 1 out of 6 hits gets the benefits! All other hits do base dmg, that might as well not even exist. Her only "alright" skill is her 1st one, but even that one... 1 to 4.5 times damage? that's waaaay too rng to be useful. 20% ability up comes from Rosenkreuz, not Solomon, and that is actually pretty useful skill to get as EX in some team compositions. Solomon though... Yeah, neither of her "borrowable" skills are worth it.

Originally Posted by felix

what are you even talking about? Solomon ability up affects ONLY her and nobody else. She is useless for the team. As for the element dmg stacking into endgame, that is precisely the reason why Solomon suck: her 2nd ability does 1 hit with each element, for a total of 6 hits but when you are completely focused on fire, or dark, or whatever, only 1 out of 6 hits gets the benefits! All other hits do base dmg, that might as well not even exist. Her only "alright" skill is her 1st one, but even that one... 1 to 4.5 times damage? that's waaaay too rng to be useful. 20% ability up comes from Rosenkreuz, not Solomon, and that is actually pretty useful skill to get as EX in some team compositions. Solomon though... Yeah, neither of her "borrowable" skills are worth it.

Can't you read?!
Solomon increases about 20% ability up with her mastery! And you know her assist skill is working for the whole group, right?! Check her skills again, if you have no idea about her skills. I was never talking about her "book of Raziel", lol. And I said, in addition you could use EX from rosenkreuz, which gives ability up for whole group.

And about ability which hit more than 1 time.
There will be several kamis, which will be released in the future. Be honest, you have no idea about them. Im talking from point of view, when you have played the game more than 1 year and reaching power of 50k+ and more.

How long have u played this game? 3 monats?!

Now for some kamis
An ablilty which hits 6 times or more, usually, has low damage multiplier, around 1. 20% ability up means true 20% up.
An ability which hits 1 time for 5x dmg is different. It will deal 5.2x dmg. 20% up means only 4% true increase for this ability.
You will benefit more from Solomon-lead with Rosenkreuz's EX, when you have those kamis in your team...
(Don't use Solomon pls, if you pull one of those kamis... Solomon sux really)

Do you have +100% attk up from your weapons? Do you have 100% element up god eidolons? If you don't, then you don't know solomon's true potential. Once you have reached endgame, you will have enough soul points to unlock all legendary souls. And you will know what im talking about.
So don't bother anyway.

Originally Posted by fucka

Can't you read?!
Solomon increases about 20% ability up with her mastery! And you know her assist skill is working for the whole group, right?! Check her skills again, if you have no idea about her skills. I was never talking about her "book of Raziel", lol. And I said, in addition you could use EX from rosenkreuz, which gives ability up for whole group.

And about ability which hit more than 1 time.
There will be several kamis, which will be released in the future. Be honest, you have no idea about them. Im talking from point of view, when you have played the game more than 1 year and reaching power of 50k+ and more.

How long have u played this game? 3 monats?!

Now for some kamis
An ablilty which hits 6 times or more, usually, has low damage multiplier, around 1. 20% ability up means true 20% up.
An ability which hits 1 time for 5x dmg is different. It will deal 5.2x dmg. 20% up means only 4% true increase for this ability.
You will benifit more from Solomon-lead with Rosenkreuz's EX, when you have those kamis in your team...
(Don't use Solomon pls, if you pull one of those kamis... Solomon sux really)

Do you have +100% attk up from your weapons? Do you have 100% element up god eidolons? If you don't, then you don't know true solomon's potential. Once you have reached endgame, you will have enough soul points to unlock all legendary souls. And you will know what im talking about.
So don't bother anyway.

sorry I don't hav acount

isnt 20% up works like this
6hit of 1xDmg with 20% up be hitting like 1.2 + 1.2 +1.2 + 1.2 +1.2 +1.2 = 7.2 (20% increase)
1hit of 5xDmg with 20% up be hitting like 6 (20% increase in one kapow)

Originally Posted by Unregistered

sorry I don't hav acount

isnt 20% up works like this
6hit of 1xDmg with 20% up be hitting like 1.2 + 1.2 +1.2 + 1.2 +1.2 +1.2 = 7.2 (20% increase)
1hit of 5xDmg with 20% up be hitting like 6 (20% increase in one kapow)

That was a wrong descripton from me in my first post.

This way to correct:
An ablilty which hits 6 times or more, usually, has low damage multiplier, around 1. (1+0.2)x6 =7.2, 20% ability up means true 20% up.
An ability which hits 1 time for 5x dmg is different. It will deal 5.2x dmg, (5+0.2)x1=5.2, 20% up means only 4% true increase for this ability. (Because 0.2 / 5 = 0.04)

The ability up is added to the ability multiplier.
The attack up is added to the character attk up multiplier.

Character attk multiplier x element attack multiplier x ability multiplier = total damage multiplier.


It really depends on the playstyle and kamis in your team, whether solomon is good or not. Sussanoo's first skill for example will benifit a lot from solomon with Rosenkreuz's EX.

Without certain kamis in team and low weapon assault skill level, solomon is pretty useless. So poeple should focus on other souls first, but if someone says "Solomon is absolute crap", he needs to learn more about the game.

Originally Posted by fucka

That was a wrong descripton from me in my first post.

This way to correct:
An ablilty which hits 6 times or more, usually, has low damage multiplier, around 1. (1+0.2)x6 =7.2, 20% ability up means true 20% up.
An ability which hits 1 time for 5x dmg is different. It will deal 5.2x dmg, (5+0.2)x1=5.2, 20% up means only 4% true increase for this ability. (Because 0.2 / 5 = 0.04)

The ability up is added to the ability multiplier.
The attack up is added to the character attk up multiplier.

Character attk multiplier x element attack multiplier x ability multiplier = total damage multiplier.


It really depends on the playstyle and kamis in your team, whether solomon is good or not. Sussanoo's first skill for example will benifit a lot from solomon with Rosenkreuz's EX.

Without certain kamis in team and low weapon assault skill level, solomon is pretty useless. So poeple should focus on other souls first, but if someone says "Solomon is absolute crap", he needs to learn more about the game.

But what your talking about is at least 9 months to a year in the future. Some people have never even looked at the japanese version wiki. I don't think anyone is saying solomon will never be good. Just that right now she's not as good Overall as the other Souls. I understand what your saying, but right now solomon is not very good especially considering the question that was asked by the original poster.

Originally Posted by fucka

Can't you read?!
Solomon increases about 20% ability up with her mastery! And you know her assist skill is working for the whole group, right?!

The JP wiki says the bonus from the assist skill is 8%.

Also, every indication I've seen is that assist skills only affect the soul/kamihime that has the skill (a comment on the JP wiki affirms this). Moreover, I tested skill damage just now with Rosenkreutz vs. Mordred (no buffs or debuffs applied) under controlled conditions, and allies of Rosenkreutz did not do more skill damage.

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

The JP wiki says the bonus from the assist skill is 8%.

Also, every indication I've seen is that assist skills only affect the soul/kamihime that has the skill (a comment on the JP wiki affirms this). Moreover, I tested skill damage just now with Rosenkreutz vs. Mordred (no buffs or debuffs applied) under controlled conditions, and allies of Rosenkreutz did not do more skill damage.

Should that be reported as a bug, then? The English wiki explicitly says that Assist abilities are supposed to affect the whole team:

Assist (Passive) skills - These are active from level one, and affects the entire party's abilities when the Heroic Spirit is active. These do not increase in strength with level.

Originally Posted by Skulkraken

Should that be reported as a bug, then? The English wiki explicitly says that Assist abilities are supposed to affect the whole team:

The assist skill should provide buff for the active team. There is 1 dark SR, who provides even buff for whole in the sub slot.

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Originally Posted by lightwolf

But what your talking about is at least 9 months to a year in the future. Some people have never even looked at the japanese version wiki. I don't think anyone is saying solomon will never be good. Just that right now she's not as good Overall as the other Souls. I understand what your saying, but right now solomon is not very good especially considering the question that was asked by the original poster.

I also say, solomon is useless, if certain requirements/SSRs are missing. And you don't need to consider her below rank 70. I never said, she has high priority on the unlock-list, because mordred/d'arc/andromeda are more beginnger-friendly.
Soul points won't be a issue, when you play long enough.
If you try to level and use solomon instead of mordred/andro etc, then you do something wrong. The first word I used for her "Endgame soul"
Don't miss the point.

Originally Posted by Skulkraken

Should that be reported as a bug, then? The English wiki explicitly says that Assist abilities are supposed to affect the whole team:

That wiki has known inaccuracies. I would treat it as I would a user blog. My first question would be what evidence / source the wiki entry is based on.

To my knowledge, there is no reliable and comprehensive source of info for this game in English. That's partly why I spend considerable time interpreting what I see on the JP wiki for users here.

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

The JP wiki says the bonus from the assist skill is 8%.

Also, every indication I've seen is that assist skills only affect the soul/kamihime that has the skill (a comment on the JP wiki affirms this). Moreover, I tested skill damage just now with Rosenkreutz vs. Mordred (no buffs or debuffs applied) under controlled conditions, and allies of Rosenkreutz did not do more skill damage.

I have checked again.
Unfornately, Rose&solomon's assist only apply to themselves.

Solomonring deals 6 times 0.85x dmg (except type disadvantage/advantage). so with 80% Ability up (through buffs, passive and assist), you almost double its damage.
Using rosenkreuz with EX solomonring is also intresting, because she can hit 11 times in one turn. Something useful for MVP stealing. If there is other SSRs whose ability can hit several times, you have high burst dmg just trough ability. Without those kamis, setting ability up eidolon (Rahab) is less useful, because you only boost your soul (if rose or solomon).

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Originally Posted by sanahtlig

That wiki has known inaccuracies. I would treat it as I would a user blog. My first question would be what evidence / source the wiki entry is based on.

To my knowledge, there is no reliable and comprehensive source of info for this game in English. That's partly why I spend considerable time interpreting what I see on the JP wiki for users here.

I use chinese ressources. They had collected many data and did a lot math.