Nutaku: July 2016 | Flower Knight Girl: 835228859 | DMM: 646263953 飢えたハンター
Plays Flower Knight Girl, Aigis, Kamihime
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Shit, that's a thing? Is there any source for that? Since it certainly doesn't tell you ingame. How does it work, the 10th slot is guaranteed to be SR+ despite previous rolls being whatever they are? I think that's how the SSR KH guarantee one works for 50 bucks.This was factored in, as 300 Gems. Does anyone waste resources on a 80% R quality ticket though...?
Because, let me completely honest, the UI of your spreadsheet is complete and total ass.
Now, I've used some functions of it, and I am grateful. But seriously, at a glance, you can't tell what in the flying F half of the tabs are for. At least the cells which you should be changing are highlighted. Like the "assault and eidolon effects comparison" tab. So, you basically have four different calculators on the same page. Alright, not exactly ideal but since they're kinda related, fair enough. But then look at weapon comparison. Sure, the way you've done it is... extensive, but... wouldn't people usually just want to enter five cells? Weapon 1 damage, weapon 1 assault level (can be split into two cells considering the base bonus of SR and SSR), weapon 2 damage, weapon 2 assault level and how much the rest of the attack is. Much simpler, much faster, much easier for a random person to understand just what the spreadsheet does at a glance.
Again, your current method is extensive since it allows for more than mono-elemental comparison and etc., but.
Anyway, I hadn't looked at Gacha data tab before. That's interesting - so there's HUGE weights in both Eidolons and Kamihime weapons. Supposedly. Doesn't match my Gacha pulls in the slightest (of SSRs, 2 non-KH weapons, 0 Eidolons, 1 KH weapon), but hey, small sample size. Not going to check source on that data, but I hope that the source is huge. And not from rerolling accounts, since god knows if there's weights in place for the first 20 pulls.Feel free to explain to me the source of these Jewels then. I did mention a few other sources not calculated in, such as the additional login bonus campaigns. Also, raids provide a good chunk - I think each ticket is like 1 Jewel on average? Or was it 0.1 Jewels... I did some rudimentary checking on the droprates from those, but it's buried so deep in logs I can't be bothered to check.Aaaactually, if it's just you, then a statistical outlier is very feasible. And I assume you mean 17 gacha SRs, you didn't count Nike and friends and Balor and friends?
Still, since you've spent so much time on your calculator, why don't you just tell me what is the statistical likelyhood of a player having SR Hime? Just throw a ballpark number with reasoning behind on how many Jewels a player would have and then how many SRs is the average person going to get.
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Scroll down to find the reward table. I think it is just a single-use ticket. You may have a chance to get a Raid event-exclusive SR, you may have a chance to get junk.
As for the main arguments, your calculation is off by 2 factors. First, the "additional jewels" sources are not negligible. Some of them can sum up to be around 2000 jewels for a total of 1 set of 12 days. Their typical progression goes like 50, 50, 50, 100, 100......,100, 200, 300, 400. The last 4 days alone is 1000 jewels. Second, your SR and SSR rate is based on your own observation. Granted Nutaku isn't the most honest of a company but they did write their Gacha odds of 3% SSR, 15% SR and 82% R in the Gacha page. Sanahtlig's calculator is based on that, along with bunch of statistical data drawn from actual pulls.
Finally, nobody touched on this yet, but to artificially get a leg up, there is always the starting Re-roll.
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The calculator is set up to run simulations with weapons you don't have or don't have at the desired level yet. That's why the linear regression formula for stats based on weapon level is necessary. As for HP, I was planning to compare options to obtain the optimal balance of HP and assault skill (e.g., from eidolon effects and weapon skills). Just haven't gotten around to it because it turned out to be fairly complicated and there's other more useful things I can be working on.
The category weights for SSRs are largely based on data from two super-whales: over 200 SSRs in all. I take Nutaku's stated rates for rarity at face-value to avoid the statistical issue of high variance in rare events.Anyway, I hadn't looked at Gacha data tab before. That's interesting - so there's HUGE weights in both Eidolons and Kamihime weapons. Supposedly. Doesn't match my Gacha pulls in the slightest (of SSRs, 2 non-KH weapons, 0 Eidolons, 1 KH weapon), but hey, small sample size. Not going to check source on that data, but I hope that the source is huge. And not from rerolling accounts, since god knows if there's weights in place for the first 20 pulls.
Does it matter? I have them. I've documented my rolls so I know how many jewels I've spent. Real data with zero variance beats estimates in the evidence hierarchy. In any case, Nutaku does jewel giveaway events regularly. You forgot to factor those in.Feel free to explain to me the source of these Jewels then.
Of course I did. Why wouldn't I? I entered this discussion saying that a player who's been actively playing as long as I have should have a large variety of SR kamihime. Event and story SRs count!And I assume you mean 17 gacha SRs, you didn't count Nike and friends and Balor and friends?
Assuming a player has spent 36k jewels (more than me since I've saved mine), and rolled 40 premium tickets or so, they should have collected ~12 Gatcha SR kamihime (minus duplicates). Add the 4 story SR and 5 raid SR, and that's 21. That doesn't include the special tickets given out in the crossover event, which would likely add a couple more. But as a general rule of thumb, you should expect around 1 SR kamihime per 3k jewels.what is the statistical likelyhood of a player having SR Hime
Spread equally across the 6 elements (unlikely), that's 3-4 SR kamihime per element. But a savvy player will go with the element with the best kamihime, so they'll likely have a main team with all SR+ kamihime by this point, and likely at least 1 SSR. This is something even someone like HungryHunter could manage, so long as he logged in every day and did his dailies.
Last edited by sanahtlig; 07-29-2017 at 03:36 PM.
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I asked a source for the guaranteed SR from pulling 10 at once. Not sure why you linked a Raid SR ticket, but interesting to know that'll be a thing in the future.Well, I don't have access to a list of them, so there was little I could do about it.The maths was presented in the post. They're based on what the game client reports them as, assuming that there's no weights. Apparently, there are some massive weight attached. There are good sides to complicated. But when you don't properly separate the tools, have tons of different tabs which could be combined... and then you say in threads that ask about Assault weapons "i made a calc use that" ... well, that just makes me facepalm.
There are also times when simplicity is best, and less is more. I'm not saying that you should remove the full version, I'm saying you should rename and combine tabs, overhaul the UI, put simpler and faster to use tools up front. These tools work fine for you, and those who take the time to go over how it all works. If you actually want to make tools - rather than your own notes -
then that's not quite what you want to do.I already said my piece on pity SRs, and story ones are no different. They're not at SR powerlevel at all, the best one being Nike for bringing having two tools. Of course, both are really sub-par compared to other similar skills, but hey. You get those tools for free.
So that leaves... 9 SRs? 10 if you count Gabriel as one. Plus your unspent stash.So, my rough estimate was about half? That's still not particularly impressive considering this is six months, but fair enough.
My bad. I misread that to mean you looking for a source for the Raid SR ticket. Anyway the SR+ guarantee for 10-chain pulls is here: http://xn--hckqz0e9cygq471ahu9b.xn--...83%81%E3%83%A3
Maybe your Jewel gacha SR rate was low because you didn't do 10-chain pulls but instead pulled one by one?
Nutaku: July 2016 | Flower Knight Girl: 835228859 | DMM: 646263953 飢えたハンター
Plays Flower Knight Girl, Aigis, Kamihime
Dropped Harem Heroes. Staff deleted my nice reason for not spending $.
Signature made by Myrdin
While the toolbox is hard to understand for beginner, there's nothing stopping you beside yourself from sending sana a private message asking for clarifications on how the spreadsheet works. In my case, sana has been friendly enough to respond to my questions about the spreadsheet. I dont see why sending a PM asking questions is that difficult