Thread: plat units = to blacks

No my entire argument hinged on people using their brains. He is the best tank when you actually need a tank. If you have flyers , do you need a tank ? No , you place ranged dps. If you have rush maps or swarms , do you place tanks ? You generally place anti swarmers or aoe dps , yes ?

If you actually do need a tank , gellius is the best.


Edit : yes unregistred , nadia fits exactly said situation : who would have guessed that you place a dps duelist when you need dps ? But even then , she won't be the duelist you place in 100% of cases. Meanwhile , if you nee dto place a heavy on a map , and you have gelius , u can easily place him instead of any other tank

Originally Posted by lolix

No my entire argument hinged on people using their brains. He is the best tank when you actually need a tank. If you have flyers , do you need a tank ? No , you place ranged dps. If you have rush maps or swarms , do you place tanks ? You generally place anti swarmers or aoe dps , yes ?

If you actually do need a tank , gellius is the best.

And absolutely none of those situations are mutually exclusive either.

Remember the G map with Minerva? A rush map of merfolk, goblin archers/necromancers, and demons, including the scythe bastards with ranged attacks. You needed DPS, a few tanks/lightning rod blockers, and probably some luck with assassination. But ranged slots were spread out and you had three exits to block, so you needed to concentrate your DPS and use tanks or duelists with high block, or have a shitton of AOE on hand. Or use rogues/ninjas and hope for the best, but that's obviously not ideal.

Everyone used spread-out heavies to deal with the clusterfuck, but there's a situation that Nadia would've done much better than Gellius would have.

So your argument basically is "he is the best tank all the time since he can tank golems"?

Because while he has the best staying power, saying he is the best tank for every situation is not going to help.

It's like saying archers are the best dps for every situation because they deal a lot of damage at a fast pace. Sure, you want archers for a lot of situations, but many times a mage can be great too.

In the same sense, Gellius is only really the best tank as long as he does at least one of the following:
-Removes the need for another healer
-Doesn't give you a problem because you lack damage
-Cannot be replaced because you need his extreme sturdiness

If he does neither, then saying he is the best tank for that situation is, and i hate this word, retarded. If anything else can accomplish the tanking duty and also deals more damage then they are obviously the -better tank for the situation-

I wonder if my comments mostly get ignored in face of continously answering the others, because i sure never feel like i get replied to.

i get the feeling that you people confuse terms : "tanking" is not the same as "blocking". Different nuances , and while a tank also blocks a blocker doesn't necesarily tank.

Blocking and tanking golems are literally the only things Gellius definitively has over Nadia, and Nadia gets around the former by having ground AoE.

But by all means, continue to destroy your own argument.

so let me get it straight. Nadia is better because she has better dps , even tho she costs more , blocks less , and is not even the best duelist in the game for most situations , but gellius is worse because he can literally facetank everything , even high tier bosses , costs less enough that there is little need to replace him with a cheaper heavy if you need a HA on the map , and has generally really high defensive stats ? But he is worse then her because she does damage. ok mate.


Edit : tenhou , and u don't see the same happening with nadia ? There are enough cheaper duelists or anti swarms out there capable of doing what she does (even if they have crapier dps , they will cost quite a lot cheaper , leaving enough room to place another unit on the field). You don't need an 2k dps anti swarmer for every map either.

Yeah, you're just going to bullshit your way for another 100 posts despite being proven wrong at every turn.

Christ, you're worse than FarK.

If you're going to continue to make incorrect blanket statements and ignore every legitimate argument, then you may as well stop posting and wasting everyone's time.

the problem is Eab that you have proven nothing. Also you don't bring arguments to a conversation. You just disagree with the points someone else brings , but care little for explaining yourself. And i am not wasting anybody's time here except mine. Nobody forces you to respond either.

They are around the same because both have heavy UP requirements. Gellius for the dps that need to help him kill things and Nadia for the UP she needs. In both cases you won't be deploying them early but they are both broken units in their given roles. That doesn't mean the other is better and i guess the others are pissed off at you because you stated Gellius is better everywhere.

In most cases you will deploy a soldier or two, then something else and if nothing else is needed for the moment you will just wait and store UP for when it is needed. This is where Nadia can replace Gellius for most maps. If you need a heavy armour down fast for some reason then of course he will be better. But i barely see any maps where you need one down asap so you can just wait for Nadia to get ready instead.

That being said, that jungle subjugation map on DMM is like made for Nadia, where can i get my free copy? >.<

@ tenhou the problem is that i didn't even said that gellius is better everywhere. Just go back , from the very start of the argument and look at my comments. I said from the start that in the right conditions nadia is downright broken. I said that gellius os the best tank that you can place on any map that requires a heavy , and that he's universally good vs all types of damage because of his high stats.

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Originally Posted by Eab1990

I've proven plenty, you just refuse to address the arguments that actively contradict your statements and continue to parrot your nonsense about cost or defense all day. You've not addressed any of the situations where Nadia is definitively better than Gellius in spite of the fact that said situations fit your definition of "need heavy here".

I get the feeling that you are either blind , or dislike using your brain. Since the very first comments i admited that under the right circumstances nadia is downright broken , and ofc there will be situations where she might outperform gellius. That doesn't mean that she's better then gellis , seeing as i can make specific situation to make even the most niche units look godlike ? How is that even a god damn argument ?