Originally Posted by Tenhou

Who needs pornhub when there's tsumino anyways? 0.o

And who the hell pays for pornhub prem---

I guess i'd be a hypocrite if i continued that sentence considering i have put a fair deal of money into some nutaku games.

Tsumino? This sounds like something I need to know about.

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Originally Posted by ChibiKika

I saw the picture...and peeked at Probiller's (not Nutaku's) Terms and Conditions. From that, I've gotten a bit more insight on the likely situation.

Sharing of accounts is probably considered acceptable from the Nutaku side, but there's likely a programmed recognition of ownership built in based on anyone who makes purchases...might operate under the assumption that if you make a purchase, you're the account owner. There are likely more rules built into that note but if you happen to have your own account that you're using a payment method for and then you happen to use that exact same method to make a purchase on someone else's account, it'll get the impression you have multiple accounts, which is a direct ToS violation for both Nutaku and Probiller.

I'm not so sure that Nutaku is okay with sharing. As Chillin pointed out, they recently changed the wording on the ToS. I can't fathom WHY they would change the wording, but the new phrasing is much less accepting of account sharing. I don't know if my "letter of the law" interpretation is against the rules, but even if it's allowed, it has gone from explicitly allowed to tolerated at best.

In truth, I don't see why Nutaku would care if one person used an account or if 100 people used it. My gut tells me that the issue with sharing probably has more to do with security. American porn laws are somewhat vague. Obscene material (and therefore not covered by 1st amendment rights) is determined by the Miller test, which essentially boils down to "you know obscenity when you see it." As many people have noticed, Nutaku and PPS in particular is okay with lolis. Nutaku 'claims' that all characters are 18 or older. I know there are women that are most definitely over 18 that looked younger. I briefly worked in the adult film industry, and I got to know Alyssa Hart. When I met her, I thought she looked 12, even though she was 26 at the time.

So... Nutaku might have the opinion that if you lock down the account to one person one account, then you have less risk of exposing material that might not go over well to people that are not authorized to see it. I think this is ridiculous, but since when do politics have to make sense? I can actually see Nutaku wanting to be proactive to say that when people sign up to use the site, only one person has access, and that person attests that they are 18 or of the legal age to view porn in their region.

Suppose I sign up for Nutaku and I am 34. If I share my password with a minor, I have now allowed a minor to view pornographic material. This minor did not click that they attest that they are 18 or older.

Do I believe that Lady's Lover shared his password with a minor? Not at all. But the scenario is plausible enough that Nutaku could have made pre-emptive steps to try to cover their ass in the case of bad PR or a morality crusade against a website with images of what appears to possibly be underage girls in sexual situations. If she looks under 18, simply saying "she's 18" doesn't mean that someone interpreting the Miller Test has to say "Oh, Nutaku said that even though Koharu Yuishiro looks to be about 12, Nutaku says she's totally 18, so it's not kiddie porn."

Honestly, I don't care if Koharu looks underage. I don't care if YOU think Koharu looks underage. I don't even care if you think Koharu looks underage and you fap to that. As long as you're fapping to a drawn picture on a website and not an actual little girl, I don't really care what gets your rocks off. Some people are turned on by some weird stuff, and I'm not going to judge them so long as they are not doing anything reprehensible in real life.

So it's entirely possible that Nutaku is being a bit careful.

You also bring up the issue of credit cards from multiple regions. Credit card payments are a tricky issue, mostly due to the issue I just mentioned. About a year ago, Fetlife (basically Facebook for kinky people) lost the ability to accept payments for accounts because they were dropped by their online billers. Essentially, since Fetlife contains pictures that could be deemed obscene, their biller dropped them. It took a while for Fetlife to find a biller that would process their payments.

Nutaku is in a similar predicament. If the company that processes their payments decides that Nutaku has obscene material (which goes beyond what is protected speech), then they can lose the ability to process payments online. As such, Nutaku wants to maintain a VERY happy relationship with the people that process their payments. If Probiller thinks that account activity looks suspicious, they are likely to be proactive and deny service. This is especially true since laws say that if a person uses my credit card to fraudulently make a purchase, I am not held accountable for the charges. The company that accepts the fraudulent charge loses the money because they processed the fraudulent payment. So the onus is on retailers and businesses to make sure that they do not process anything that isn't on the up and up. After all, if my number is stolen and someone buys 100 dollars worth of Nutaku gold, I do not lose 100 dollars. Bank of America does not lose 100 dollars. Nutaku loses 100 dollars (or Probiller, depending on how that works.) With laws that work against them in the case of fraud, it's better to flag a potentially legitimate payment rather than risk processing a fraudulent one. It's risk/benefit, and internet companies are as risk averse as possible.

This gives two reasons for Nutaku to see this case and reflexively ban the account. It's purely risk/benefit analysis.