Originally Posted by chillinfar

My complain wasn't about sucess rate but about N cards in eGacha. Nutaku deleted all questions about this issue, they never learned about their own fiasco with those N cards (as happened with Shuri).

And this ticket was not about your complain. The latest discussion in this thread was about drop rates.

Rates are bad only because they mixed drop from pink boxes. Instead to modify rates, they added more items to the box. Simple, the same shit did with eGacha.
(and that's why golden keys was turned in fiasco this event)

Originally Posted by Balek

And this ticket was not about your complain. The latest discussion in this thread was about drop rates.

I might've missed something, but i was talking not even about the card drop rates on Gachas being "secretly variable based on time or something else", but successful "jackpot" (rolls of 3 of the same kind) rate in Exlporing and other slot machines (Gambit, SEG search, GHQ, whatever) which makes for Daily Missions. Gacha card drop rates and mechanisms are clearly written in every gacha box details.

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Originally Posted by chillinfar

Rates are bad only because they mixed drop from pink boxes. Instead to modify rates, they added more items to the box. Simple, the same shit did with eGacha.
(and that's why golden keys was turned in fiasco this event)

Actually, i was thinking lately, while trying to get the new N SECs from N gacha, about the fact, that they keep adding new cards to it (including new N cards) which makes the drop rates of all individual cards in the gacha lower and lower over time, so, the more cards will be added - the lower will be the chance to get an SR, R, or even (and, specially) some certain card (a new N SEC, for example, or any other card you want to level-up faster via N Gacha rolls).
For some gachas this might be no problem, since they work differently (say, you won't get SRs you've already got from eGacha, unless you'll reset the box, or will only get one of the new cards, available on the list in an Exploration sector), but the amount of the cards on N Gacha just grows and grows over time, since no cards getting removed from it, and the total number increases with every added card, reducing the percentage of the other card drop chances.

Originally Posted by Vic47

For some gachas this might be no problem, since they work differently (say, you won't get SRs you've already got from eGacha, unless you'll reset the box, or will only get one of the new cards, available on the list in an Exploration sector), but the amount of the cards on N Gacha just grows and grows over time, since no cards getting removed from it, and the total number increases with every added card, reducing the percentage of the other card drop chances.

You're wrong. N gacha is growing slowly, most new cards are put in eGacha or SR gacha. But the problem with low chances is because Nutkau still putting N cards in eGacha, so you have a lesser chance to expect a R/SR card in the deck and even less chance to see anything different.

I stopped to cash due to this crap.

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Doing the math we got this.

Rate to get a R/SR card from eGacha: 5/6 (because exist a 99% chance to see 1 slot is filled with a N card, without this issue the chance is 1)

Discarding past event and N cards (and measures did by Nutkau like the fiasco with Shuri Tsutsui), slayer cards at 2nd phase of an event are 4 (2 beta + 2 Alpha, 1SR + 1R card per tier), six if the survivor alpha cards from past event are active.

Then, sucess rate to get a R/SR slayer from eGacha (5/6)(6)[(5!)(X-5!)/(X!)]

where X is the current amount of cards in the card list and yes, that is a binomial coefficient (i spread it because i can't put those symbols in forum). The resultant rate is pretty low.

EDIT: taking count what 1 slot is filled with 1 N card.