Originally Posted by Balek

Programmer and developer usually refers to the same thing. Developer is mostly used as your job description, for example "Senior/Junior Software/SpecificLanguage Developer" coz it sounds more fancy than a "Programmer" :P

As an IT student I explain you the difference, that really exist between the two terms:
A programmer is someone who gets to transfer sth immediately into code. These are most of the time smaller tasks without the need of the programmer doing some planing or to work in a group.
A developer is tasked to realize a customer's wish with a team, that needs several steps like planing in what tasks the project is seperated, time frame of the project, development environment etc.
In short, a programmer takes the coding part on in a project, a developer needs the know-how of the project in the whole, because it's not only coding for him, but planing, to bring different parts of the project together etc.

Originally Posted by Shadowfae

I got 3 random gold keys today, and then just now I got my very first gold key drop from a 3-focus boss.

I suspect that they found an issue affecting some players and gave 3 gold keys as compensation (I should've found a lot more if it had been working, but at least they gave some). No notice to that effect that I could see, though.

Edit: Apparently the 3-keys was one of the event daily rewards? Still, either way, got my very first gold key drop today after a ton of gold box drops.

Only if you got nuts (or slayer cards) to pick them. The real fiasco is for those who paid for the golden keys.

If Nutaku moved that measure at 2nd perogambit it could be a ragequit from me.

Originally Posted by Overload

As an IT student I explain you the difference, that really exist between the two terms:
A programmer is someone who gets to transfer sth immediately into code. These are most of the time smaller tasks without the need of the programmer doing some planing or to work in a group.
A developer is tasked to realize a customer's wish with a team, that needs several steps like planing in what tasks the project is seperated, time frame of the project, development environment etc.
In short, a programmer takes the coding part on in a project, a developer needs the know-how of the project in the whole, because it's not only coding for him, but planing, to bring different parts of the project together etc.

Good to know. My job description is Software Developer but I used the terms (Developer/Programmer) in the same meaning until now.


ATTENTION WIZARDS, MAGICIANS AND OTHER CREATURES WITH CONSPIRACY THEORIES!
Behold! Nutaku response to my support ticket:

Hello Balek,

Our drop-rates are static and are determined, in Gachas for example, by the number of cards that belong to a deck, their rarity and the Gacha Machine their are in (the eGacha being different as it runs on the 5-step model).
Please note that we do however use this method from time to time, although it is not "hidden" but rather used as a promotion.
If you have been following us in the past, you may have noticed our announcements regarding certain cards, SECs mostly, having a higher drop-rate over a determined period of time. Please note that such modifications must be announced as otherwise it would go against the original PeroPero model, as as you mentioned would cause confusion.
So, to sum it up, unless announced, no time based modifications, or any modifications for that matter, are made to drop-rates.
We hope this clarified the situation!

Thank you for your support,
The PeroPero Team

Originally Posted by Balek

ATTENTION WIZARDS, MAGICIANS AND OTHER CREATURES WITH CONSPIRACY THEORIES!
Behold! Nutaku response to my support ticket:

You are a truly delightful human being. Has anyone ever told you that?

Originally Posted by JSensei

You are a truly delightful human being. Has anyone ever told you that?

Not until now

Originally Posted by Balek

Good to know. My job description is Software Developer but I used the terms (Developer/Programmer) in the same meaning until now.


ATTENTION WIZARDS, MAGICIANS AND OTHER CREATURES WITH CONSPIRACY THEORIES!
Behold! Nutaku response to my support ticket:

Hello Balek,

Our drop-rates are static and are determined, in Gachas for example, by the number of cards that belong to a deck, their rarity and the Gacha Machine their are in (the eGacha being different as it runs on the 5-step model).
Please note that we do however use this method from time to time, although it is not "hidden" but rather used as a promotion.
If you have been following us in the past, you may have noticed our announcements regarding certain cards, SECs mostly, having a higher drop-rate over a determined period of time. Please note that such modifications must be announced as otherwise it would go against the original PeroPero model, as as you mentioned would cause confusion.
So, to sum it up, unless announced, no time based modifications, or any modifications for that matter, are made to drop-rates.
We hope this clarified the situation!

Thank you for your support,
The PeroPero Team

My complain wasn't about sucess rate but about N cards in eGacha. Nutaku deleted all questions about this issue, they never learned about their own fiasco with those N cards (as happened with Shuri).

Originally Posted by chillinfar

My complain wasn't about sucess rate but about N cards in eGacha. Nutaku deleted all questions about this issue, they never learned about their own fiasco with those N cards (as happened with Shuri).

And this ticket was not about your complain. The latest discussion in this thread was about drop rates.

Rates are bad only because they mixed drop from pink boxes. Instead to modify rates, they added more items to the box. Simple, the same shit did with eGacha.
(and that's why golden keys was turned in fiasco this event)

Originally Posted by Balek

And this ticket was not about your complain. The latest discussion in this thread was about drop rates.

I might've missed something, but i was talking not even about the card drop rates on Gachas being "secretly variable based on time or something else", but successful "jackpot" (rolls of 3 of the same kind) rate in Exlporing and other slot machines (Gambit, SEG search, GHQ, whatever) which makes for Daily Missions. Gacha card drop rates and mechanisms are clearly written in every gacha box details.

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Originally Posted by chillinfar

Rates are bad only because they mixed drop from pink boxes. Instead to modify rates, they added more items to the box. Simple, the same shit did with eGacha.
(and that's why golden keys was turned in fiasco this event)

Actually, i was thinking lately, while trying to get the new N SECs from N gacha, about the fact, that they keep adding new cards to it (including new N cards) which makes the drop rates of all individual cards in the gacha lower and lower over time, so, the more cards will be added - the lower will be the chance to get an SR, R, or even (and, specially) some certain card (a new N SEC, for example, or any other card you want to level-up faster via N Gacha rolls).
For some gachas this might be no problem, since they work differently (say, you won't get SRs you've already got from eGacha, unless you'll reset the box, or will only get one of the new cards, available on the list in an Exploration sector), but the amount of the cards on N Gacha just grows and grows over time, since no cards getting removed from it, and the total number increases with every added card, reducing the percentage of the other card drop chances.

Originally Posted by Vic47

For some gachas this might be no problem, since they work differently (say, you won't get SRs you've already got from eGacha, unless you'll reset the box, or will only get one of the new cards, available on the list in an Exploration sector), but the amount of the cards on N Gacha just grows and grows over time, since no cards getting removed from it, and the total number increases with every added card, reducing the percentage of the other card drop chances.

You're wrong. N gacha is growing slowly, most new cards are put in eGacha or SR gacha. But the problem with low chances is because Nutkau still putting N cards in eGacha, so you have a lesser chance to expect a R/SR card in the deck and even less chance to see anything different.

I stopped to cash due to this crap.

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Doing the math we got this.

Rate to get a R/SR card from eGacha: 5/6 (because exist a 99% chance to see 1 slot is filled with a N card, without this issue the chance is 1)

Discarding past event and N cards (and measures did by Nutkau like the fiasco with Shuri Tsutsui), slayer cards at 2nd phase of an event are 4 (2 beta + 2 Alpha, 1SR + 1R card per tier), six if the survivor alpha cards from past event are active.

Then, sucess rate to get a R/SR slayer from eGacha (5/6)(6)[(5!)(X-5!)/(X!)]

where X is the current amount of cards in the card list and yes, that is a binomial coefficient (i spread it because i can't put those symbols in forum). The resultant rate is pretty low.

EDIT: taking count what 1 slot is filled with 1 N card.