Originally Posted by nip101

How is a an autoclicker not an automated means of accessing the site?

Because they mean access as in gaining access to the code structures of the game and site. They mean an automated process that KNOWS how to handle game messages. It knows it shall access the case menu and then search for gambit cases. If there are any it will automatically open them. Basically it digs deep into game data to know what it must do.

In contrast a clickbot, while automated, does not "access" the site/game, it just clicks places on the screen, much as if you had just set some contraption on top of your mouse to spam the left key. It is an "outside" process meaning it does not gain access to game data, it simply clicks a place on the screen and is none the wiser of what it does, it just repeats a process without modifying game data. This is then used to click in the very specific locations where the buttons are, but it is still done with the very same process as if you would have clicked the button yourself, therefor it does not "access" the game.

To be even more specific: A computer has commands for what happens when you press the left mousebutton. It then tells that something has been pressed on that part of the screen, that is all. The clickbot just tells the computer the very same thing that a mouse click would have done. The type of program that nutaku dislikes instead bypasses this completely by accessing the actual game and telling the game "go to this menu, do this thing" rather than telling the computer "this place was clicked, act on it."

Originally Posted by Tenhou

The automated thingie does not necessarily mean macros or clickbots. It means a program that understands the game and sends the game commands for you. A clickbot only repeats a click you already did, that is why Tomaa suggests it is not against the ToS. It's not automating the GAME it's automating the COMPUTER and thus does not cause any changes in the game. An opposite form of this would be to make a program that understands the games commands and gives the games commands on its own. A clickbot does not understand anything, it just repeats something you already did to infinity.

At least that's what i've understood. Don't sue if i'm wrong :P

Originally Posted by Tomaa

What you have in mind is called a bot. That is not covered by their ToS as well, but I never even heard about such bot.
Macro itself is an automated action, but its not accessing the website itself.
What that line refers to is web server access using automated tasks like crawling, bruteforcing, etc. It is standard line in ToS and its purpose is mainly to prevent unintentional DDoS and to stop people poking around out of curiosity.

That being said, I dont endorse using macros. ToS can change any time, and in theory, they can ban anyone for any reason.

Originally Posted by Massume

I must admit that I actually thought that they were referring to macros when someone qouted that line on this forum, but your explanations makes a lot of sense.
Besides, it seems very unlikely that Nutaku would bother to hire a person just to track down a few macro users, while only a few hunderd players are actually spending money on this game.

Well I am not a computer genius at all, so you guys wont have to worry that I will start using a program like that in the future

I highlighted that part of the ToS because is generic, when they said "or other automated means to access the Website for any purpose" it means any automated action over the site, even if you don't alter some code.

A DDoS attack by example, can be provoked using one feature of the victim site at great scale; you don't even need a "l33t h4xx0r" to provoke it, just a huge amount of coordinated people abusing of the same task, no coding involved. i.e the 4chan vs Tumblr pic war, specially how Tumblr users reacted against /b/ wankers.

A mouse macro works with the same idea at very little scale. Yes, the mimic is realized at local level, but not the data sent everytime that you use any Nutaku app.

And how staff can see (using logs) if a user is automating some actions? Easy, if logs has timestamps these can bring a clue, even with Wireshark or MS Network monitor i can test it (limited to my own side). I can see the Nutaku ID inside the URL executing some of them, so is possible to identify some behavior.

As i said before, a delay between boxes (picking it manually) already exists, that's why those moves looks suspicious.

can someone give me a plausible scenario for a "macro" to open pink boxes ?? i mean the scenario it would follow

Originally Posted by Unregistered

can someone give me a plausible scenario for a "macro" to open pink boxes ?? i mean the scenario it would follow

k i made an account better this way.
@chillinfar
so you are saying the guy setup a clicker on different intervals and areas on the screen to refresh/open pink boxes ?

is possible

Originally Posted by Tomaa

multiboxing is playing on 2 separate accounts at the same time

Oh, thanks. We call them "multiacc(ount)"s or "twink"s in Russian. And i've also heard a term "smurf" for the second an other, smaller-level accounts here, i believe...

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Well, ok, i've read this therad since i last was here, but, since i had no sleep for like 25h+ i've lost who said what, wbut here is my asnwerz...
1) I've already told you how how once ended a donators "riot" on similiar game on VK - the admins just banned several hundred accounts without even checking if they were donation, cheating, botting or anything. They just did that and cared shit. Sure there were much more donating players on that game than PPS has, but the iot-starters were, mostly, from a top-donator's elite clan - a bunch of rich people who spend thoulsands of bucks on most PPS-like games on VK just to be "a top VK gaming clan in all games" on al the scoreboards. So it was a goddamn solid piece of that company's income. and they still didn't cared.
2) The clickbots. First, they actually interact with the game with their automated behaviour. And even while modern clickers have alot of randomizers (like clicking only inside the slected areas to not miss the buttons but always click different pixels of them (coordinates on the screen), randomizers for +XX pixels to the last click on random direction, and +/-random seconds to the time delay between the steps of your script and click repeeats, and even install a separate set of "kb/mouse" drivers to actually imitate phisical HID devices on the system, they still are getting tracked, by those timestamps, clicking "heat maps" (logging the coordinates of ALL your clicks and learning and finding your "human" and your "clickbot" clicking behaviour patterns) they still get caught. The very same "Madness" games required you to punch those Elite Guard equivalents in the face hundreds of times in a sequence with your weapon, so people tried automating that - and get banned in a matter of days.
Still, i have to admit, that i've tried and used some self-made scripted patterns using few clickbots known to me, to roll the bloody Ngacha for SR cards daily mission a few times, and i'm still playing, but i quickly noticed, that when _I_ play, i playe really different than my best Clicker Script (i make alot of mistakes, often click multiple times before the came can actually accept my click and go to teh next step, use much more different time delays between clicks on different roll stages, etc, so it is bloody easy to feel the difference when it is me and when it is the clicker software that rolls the gacha. So i could get caught really quick if they really do track down clickbotters, etc. I don't know, was i to quick to stop that, or don't they actually care, or is it not violating their ToS as they meant it (maybe they really only against the stuff that messes up with the game's code directly and might casue DDOS', lag, crash, cheating, account theft etc. and clickbots are considered "OK") or thet they just close their eyes on EA and other "Whales" cheating just because they pay alot or whatever (also, remember all those lags, error/crashes/otehr problems on SEG events? Could these be because some of the "whales" (or not) really messed up with the game's code directly with some cheats?
Oh, and i also forgot those session interrupts that happen all the time, and popping up windows requiring you to press "ok" and then manually updte your gam epage to continue playing? Them, and those random events called 'step-up animations" also break down your sweet Clicker Soft scripted pattern, or make you add an nunneeded action to teh script, that will prove you are using a bot, because you click several extra times to try to skip those Step-ups, while there are no step-ups most pf the time... (this is not the problem on opening gambit ases, though,as there no Step-Up and onther changing things, mostly, but the clicker will just try and "poen cases" when there are no cases to open, giving itself out...)
So, well, if someone wants to check out Nutaku's clickbot detection system and theyr toleracne to such behaviour, i can teach you that (i suppose that would be our Admins - Tmoaa or Kotono, who i trust the most, or a person they will consider trustworthy enough to test it, to not use the soft i'll give them to cheat on other players like EA does. (of course this should be done on a brand new account, probably proxied, to hide it's creator's and user's IP or something, too, or on someone's "dropped for good", but previously donate-infused acc, to also test the tolerance on donators' accs, to find out, if Nutaku don't care of clickbots for all, or only for the big spenders) Still, it is very easily tracked, so i warn you not to try it on your own account untill it will get proved to be ban-safe. Or we can just forget what i've just said and leave things as the yare now, playing as we always do =)

ugh, i need some sleep now... Peace ^_^; V