Originally Posted by chillinfar

The issue is simple, Epoch refuses to change payment method once the customer choose one of the available. I asked both sides (Nutaku and Epoch), Nutaku just sent me again to Epoch and they answered to make an alt because they doesn't want to change it (Epoch has a finder to deactivate suscriptions and all that stuff, but Safety Pay payments are unable to do it). And i don't see something related on his ToS.

If smurfing is not allowed, they should fix this issue with Epoch because is making a problem: i want to pay and Epoch refuses to change how i can (answering the moronic smurf tip).

P.S: I suspect that the moronic move with Safety Pay is related to fees. Epoch picks $0.25 per any help with Nutaku payments, but Safety Pay eats $2-4 more due to other issues (reading ToS they share earnings with associated banks).

And finishing this, Nutaku ToS doesn't forbid alts, only forbids automated access (like bots). But as i said, the issue isn't with Nutaku but Epoch and is an issue that they should solve at B2B level.

I wasn't talking about ToC. Back in guards 1, somebody commented in bthe facebook page that alts could be used for farming points, and the Nutaku account answered that they woul d punish people that did so.
They even boasted that they had very good algorithms for finding such people.

Nutaku should change the way how to reward then (i.e. giving the extra when invited accounts pay his first load of cash), diminishing the risk of exploit.

And except for Safety Pay issue i have no problem to give money (they deserved it anyway), i boosted a lot on Coliseum event with only peronamin (not a good deal but helped anyway).