Originally Posted by sumguy

Here's a trick you might not have noticed. Your helper squad from your friend lacks power right? This is because the helper squad's max lvl is capped at YOUR highest level character (not sure if this cap applies post evolution though, since I leveled my evo-ed girls to a decent level already).

So focus on one girl and get her to at least mid 40s first.

??? I don't think that's true, when my girls were level 40, I could use the help of people whose girls were at level 50. I don't know if it's capped at a certain point but it surely doesn't apply in evolutions.

Originally Posted by ZOLANTON

??? I don't think that's true, when my girls were level 40, I could use the help of people whose girls were at level 50. I don't know if it's capped at a certain point but it surely doesn't apply in evolutions.

It's capped at the highest level girl you have in your team. Basically any friend helper that is higher than your girls gets nerfed down to your level. Note that it only goes by level, not evolution level. So a level 50 evolved character won't be nerfed unless you have no level 50 non-evolved or evolved in your team.

Okay I kinda made two more accounts just so I can redo what I did and actually wait for 50 flower gems rather than spend them like crazy. Here is what I got based on 4*+ units:
Alt 1: Convallaria, St. Paulia, and Cepha Lanthera
Alt 2: St. Paulia and Toad Lily
I'm kinda leaning towards alt. 1 has more higher rarity characters, but alt. 2 because it has two characters with quests atm. Any thoughts?

I also have another alt account that I was levelling up with my main account with Toad Lily, but like my main one, I did not save up to 50 gems before rolling gacha.

If these rolls are made out of guaranteed 5* gacha then you're very lucky. But you should do that guaranteed gacha roll and use the account that didnt get same 5* girl, cuz extra inventory space and skill up isnt very important in early game you know. The most of the guys here couldnt get a 5* girl from dat 50 gem roll, me included. As for alts i'd go with toad lily one because i hear ppl dont like convallaria much (her ability sucks), toad lily's ability is very useful for some maps.

I have an account I'm currently working on that has Toad Lily (my first alt. before my two rerolls), so should I still keep the one that rolled Toad Lily and St. Paulia or ditch it (give it to someone else)? I'm currently working on my first reroll account and got pretty lucky so far. Aside from pulling the three units mentioned above, I just pulled Violetta Tulip from normal gacha. XD

Edit: I'll try playing both rerolls up to 2-1 before making my decision to ditch one over the other.

Actually, can somebody share the !!MATH!! on dat manyus? Mine's look something like this:
Considering mid (l.20) fodder being worth 2,5 times as much xp as low (l.5), and high (l.100) being 6,7 times better than low, and assuming that on 50 and 80 stamina gardens / dailies normal chest tiles continue giving low (normal chest graphics in loot window) or mid food (expensive chest graphics), while expensive chest tile can give both mid and high grade food (first tier daily/garden gives low/mid in normal chest tile and mid in expensive chest tile). And counting chests as 1 normal + 1 expensive in first tier, 2 normal and 1 expensive in second tier, 3 normal and 1 expensive in third tier, we'll see the rewards as such:
One clear of first tier map nets from 3,5 to 5 times worth low manyuus. Second tier gives 4,5 to 11,7. Third tier should be 5,5 to 14,2.
Now factor in stamina costs. Comparison between first and second tier dailies is pretty straightforward: you can do 2 first tier maps at the cost of one second tier, so 7 to 10 from first versus 4,5 to 11,7 from second. First tier wins hands down.
Now about third tier, hmm... Lessee, with 400 stamina you can do 5 thirds, 8 seconds or 16 firsts (and have a little more stamina to spare). So it is 56 to 80 from firsts, 36 to 93,6 from seconds and 27,5 to 71 from thirds. Eh, wart, first tier wins anyway, and third tier is worse than second? That can't be right, right?

I'm a little confused at the last post the way it's written, but I assume it's saying that the Beginner Bonus Stage is better in terms of leveling units than the Intermediate and Advanced stages stamina-wise.

I am to the point where I want to reach my units at evolution level. My main members are all 40+ but it's difficult to find many Manyus to do that. I have chosen to farm Event Stage-4 for now due to its absurd amount of tier 1 and tier 2 gifts that it drops and I have reached max affection in 9 units so far, but it's time to focus on levels now. So I have to find a fast way for getting Manyus. Is 2-1 or 1-3 a good way for post-level 30 leveling or is there something else?

The higher level secret gardens also provide more gold/seeds than the lower level ones. From a pure average total exp/stamina standpoint, the lower gardens might be better, but leveling girls from 40+ to max with level 5 or even level 20 manyus would end up costing a ton of gold. Not sure how to factor that into the efficiency calculations.

Originally Posted by ZeroZet

Actually, can somebody share the !!MATH!! on dat manyus? Mine's look something like this:
Considering mid (l.20) fodder being worth 2,5 times as much xp as low (l.5), and high (l.100) being 6,7 times better than low, and assuming that on 50 and 80 stamina gardens / dailies normal chest tiles continue giving low (normal chest graphics in loot window) or mid food (expensive chest graphics), while expensive chest tile can give both mid and high grade food (first tier daily/garden gives low/mid in normal chest tile and mid in expensive chest tile). And counting chests as 1 normal + 1 expensive in first tier, 2 normal and 1 expensive in second tier, 3 normal and 1 expensive in third tier, we'll see the rewards as such:
One clear of first tier map nets from 3,5 to 5 times worth low manyuus. Second tier gives 4,5 to 11,7. Third tier should be 5,5 to 14,2.
Now factor in stamina costs. Comparison between first and second tier dailies is pretty straightforward: you can do 2 first tier maps at the cost of one second tier, so 7 to 10 from first versus 4,5 to 11,7 from second. First tier wins hands down.
Now about third tier, hmm... Lessee, with 400 stamina you can do 5 thirds, 8 seconds or 16 firsts (and have a little more stamina to spare). So it is 56 to 80 from firsts, 36 to 93,6 from seconds and 27,5 to 71 from thirds. Eh, wart, first tier wins anyway, and third tier is worse than second? That can't be right, right?

Third tier has a chance of giving 4 chests and always 3. All 4 chests has a chance to contain lvl 100 and will at the very least contain lvl 20s.

First tier wins early on since you level fast enough with its exp efficiency. Thus you can farm more manyus in total. However, later on you will take so long time that it is no longer very efficient and thus the third tier garden wins since it gives a great deal of exp and you want to farm the 12-? maps for a chance at ampys.

Originally Posted by Tenhou

Third tier has a chance of giving 4 chests and always 3. All 4 chests has a chance to contain lvl 100 and will at the very least contain lvl 20s.

First tier wins early on since you level fast enough with its exp efficiency. Thus you can farm more manyus in total. However, later on you will take so long time that it is no longer very efficient and thus the third tier garden wins since it gives a great deal of exp and you want to farm the 12-? maps for a chance at ampys.

Thanks for correction. I was basing my third tier calculations on daily map in previous post.
This brings tier 3 to 7,5 - 26,8 per map (that is, 7,5 / 11,7 / 15,9 / 20,1 / 10 / 14,2 / 18,4 / 22,6 / 26,8 per, depending on drops, with 16,4 arithmetic average) and 37,5 - 134 per 400 stamina (with ~81 arithmetic average). This does seem more like it)
Of course, here I didn't count the cost to run 12-? maps themselves, put other tings outweight them, it seems.