Originally Posted by Unregistered

Why shouldn't the people who dedicate more effort to playing the game have a greater voice than those who just stop by once in a while?

Because not everyone have a lot of time and/or money to spend on the game. I'm not talking about situation where somebody have those, but just decide not to spend it.

Originally Posted by Saertis

Because not everyone have a lot of time and/or money to spend on the game. I'm not talking about situation where somebody have those, but just decide not to spend it.

And again, why should being casual hold the same weight as someone who makes the time to play the game more often? Forget for a moment the entire concept of paying for stamina refills...the game's stamina doesn't fill fast enough to make anyone not working 12 hour shifts miss out on anything except gatherings...you are totally in control of how much you play. If someone thinks its important to them to play from day one, devote the brainpower to plan how best to use all their stamina to progress efficiently, and follow through with that plan, why shouldn't their voice count for more than someone who just doesn't bother?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

And again, why should being casual hold the same weight as someone who makes the time to play the game more often? Forget for a moment the entire concept of paying for stamina refills...the game's stamina doesn't fill fast enough to make anyone not working 12 hour shifts miss out on anything except gatherings...you are totally in control of how much you play. If someone thinks its important to them to play from day one, devote the brainpower to plan how best to use all their stamina to progress efficiently, and follow through with that plan, why shouldn't their voice count for more than someone who just doesn't bother?

8h of work + 8h of sleep (you're sleeping, right?) + getting to and from work + additional stuff like shopping, making dinner, laundry etc. (yea, i know not all of this kind of stuff is every day) don't leave you with a lot of free time. Like I said earlier I'm not talking about people who don't bother to organize their time. I'm talking about those who physically don't have enough time.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

And again, why should being casual hold the same weight as someone who makes the time to play the game more often? Forget for a moment the entire concept of paying for stamina refills...the game's stamina doesn't fill fast enough to make anyone not working 12 hour shifts miss out on anything except gatherings...you are totally in control of how much you play. If someone thinks its important to them to play from day one, devote the brainpower to plan how best to use all their stamina to progress efficiently, and follow through with that plan, why shouldn't their voice count for more than someone who just doesn't bother?

There's a big difference between people that don't bother and people that really want to but can't.
People that don't bother include: Not voting: their voice doesn't exist since they didn't speak. Having plenty of time, but don't really care enough to fully commit: these people still have voices, but they have decided that the reward is not worth the work. They themselves cause the de-grading of their opinion by not trying their hardest to make a difference, however, if the gacha was 1 vote per person then this person would vote without question.

So people who are relatively new to the game should not have as much of an impac? Even though a very good company strategy would be the introduction and inclusion of new players to potentially boost sales. I don't think a lot of newer players are happy that their 50 votes being absolutely overshadowed. People with poor internet connections or shared computers, that can only find one hour or so to play, are also under the mercy of time. There are some people who don't care, but don't lump every person in that group just because they can't dedicate 3 hours a day to running the same map over and over. I certainly hated the first few times I had to grind areas to get SG's, but I'm used to it now. Others may not be so used to it.

At this time, it's better to vote against Orchid and out of the top 3 for the betterment of the community.

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At this time, it's better to vote against Orchid and out of the top 3 for the betterment of the community.

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Originally Posted by Saertis

8h of work + 8h of sleep (you're sleeping, right?) + getting to and from work + additional stuff like shopping, making dinner, laundry etc. (yea, i know not all of this kind of stuff is every day) don't leave you with a lot of free time. Like I said earlier I'm not talking about people who don't bother to organize their time. I'm talking about those who physically don't have enough time.

You're waking up between sleeping and work, right? It's totally under your control when you wake up and what you do between waking up and leaving for work. Blasting through a few maps on autorun while you're in the shower, shaving, brushing your teeth, eating breakfast, getting dressed takes less than a minute between each of these activities to return to the PC and click a few times to restart the autorun. If you were around before autorun, you know that rageclicking through a map takes only slightly longer at the PC. Everybody physically has enough time to burn through their stamina if they want to...if you are away from your computer for 12 straight hours, that's only 240 stamina generated. Since stamina refills at a constant rate of one stamina every three minutes, totally independent of a player's level, new people may not be able to totally catch up to the veterans...but they can easily reach a point where the only real advantage the vets will have is in the amount of stamina restored when leveling up. After that point, who cares how long you can stop playing before you stop generating stamina via elapsed time?

This is a worse entitlement mentality than that Edelweiss petition whining...they at least didn't have a remedy for their situation built into the game (it's called 'playing the game'). If you want as big a voice as those who were here from the beginning, put in the work to get bigger.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

You're waking up between sleeping and work, right? It's totally under your control when you wake up and what you do between waking up and leaving for work. Blasting through a few maps on autorun while you're in the shower, shaving, brushing your teeth, eating breakfast, getting dressed takes less than a minute between each of these activities to return to the PC and click a few times to restart the autorun. If you were around before autorun, you know that rageclicking through a map takes only slightly longer at the PC. Everybody physically has enough time to burn through their stamina if they want to...if you are away from your computer for 12 straight hours, that's only 240 stamina generated. Since stamina refills at a constant rate of one stamina every three minutes, totally independent of a player's level, new people may not be able to totally catch up to the veterans...but they can easily reach a point where the only real advantage the vets will have is in the amount of stamina restored when leveling up. After that point, who cares how long you can stop playing before you stop generating stamina via elapsed time?

This is a worse entitlement mentality than that Edelweiss petition whining...they at least didn't have a remedy for their situation built into the game (it's called 'playing the game'). If you want as big a voice as those who were here from the beginning, put in the work to get bigger.

So you mean we should organize our lifes in the way that allow us to play as much as "veterans" instead of saying that it isn't fair that amount of votes you have depends on how much you play... That's the most nolife statement I've ever heard of...

Originally Posted by Unregistered

You're waking up between sleeping and work, right? It's totally under your control when you wake up and what you do between waking up and leaving for work. Blasting through a few maps on autorun while you're in the shower, shaving, brushing your teeth, eating breakfast, getting dressed takes less than a minute between each of these activities to return to the PC and click a few times to restart the autorun. If you were around before autorun, you know that rageclicking through a map takes only slightly longer at the PC. Everybody physically has enough time to burn through their stamina if they want to...if you are away from your computer for 12 straight hours, that's only 240 stamina generated. Since stamina refills at a constant rate of one stamina every three minutes, totally independent of a player's level, new people may not be able to totally catch up to the veterans...but they can easily reach a point where the only real advantage the vets will have is in the amount of stamina restored when leveling up. After that point, who cares how long you can stop playing before you stop generating stamina via elapsed time?

This is a worse entitlement mentality than that Edelweiss petition whining...they at least didn't have a remedy for their situation built into the game (it's called 'playing the game'). If you want as big a voice as those who were here from the beginning, put in the work to get bigger.

I can agree with the autorun part, since that means that a person can leave and do other more important. However, some players don't have teams that can go through a map without the help of them pressing the Burst button at the right time. Leaving a mediocre team(teams with units below the boss' level) can be wasteful. Not to mention RNG.

I don't think anyone is saying that people shouldn't try to get better; getting better and putting in hard work is entire point of the game. It's just that this can't be considered a popularity contest if one guy behind a screen suddenly has eight times the say as some other guy behind a screen.

And in this case, our "entitlement" is justified. That case was when people wanted a unit who's event had passed. They felt entitled to have a solution to an inconvenience that didn't affect core gameplay. However, in part, they were entitled to believe that people deserved the event agian, but many more felt entitled to the opinion that they did not deserve the event. We feel "entitled" to having as much say in this game's future as much as anyone else. It has less to do about the units, It's the fact that we are considered less important than people no different to us. Why is it that you are "entitled" to decide who is worthy to hold a larger saying than others and yet no else can? And at what point do consider people suddenly worthy of being considered twice, 3 times, even 4 times, the man of someone who just joined? 10 days? 20? 50? I'm registered in these forums, Saertis is registered in forums, you are not. And yet, we listen to what you say, and we disagree. We could say "we've been here longer, you are not entitled to an opinion" yet we don't, since that's not true. There honestly wouldn't be a problem if you didn't insult us with the "entitlement" tag. You can't be entitled to to the opinion that this is fair, if we're not entitled to the opinion that it isn't. We are all entitled to discuss till the sun goes down and comes right back up. I am also entitled to tell you, just another person behind a computer, that I feel like the idea that you are entitled to use "entitlement" as a basic insult to a person's right of expression is very hypocritical.

The problem is that giving 1 vote to each person is still unfair. It's easy to make another account. If you say new players who only play a few minutes should have as much of a vote as people who have been playing since the start, then people will just make 10 or 100 accounts and vote. A lot of people have accounts just sitting around because of resetting at the start for a 6*, they can easily log in and vote. Yes the current system is not perfect but we have to live with it. The real event is farming tickets for the event girl anyway, the vote is just bonus.

Originally Posted by Zaradai

I can agree with the autorun part, since that means that a person can leave and do other more important. However, some players don't have teams that can go through a map without the help of them pressing the Burst button at the right time. Leaving a mediocre team(teams with units below the boss' level) can be wasteful. Not to mention RNG.

...and yet the most vote-efficient map so far in this event is one easy enough for nearly anyone to autorun. If you can't survive that one without solar blast, you really don't have have enough stamina to burn to need to use autorun.

Originally Posted by Zaradai

I don't think anyone is saying that people shouldn't try to get better; getting better and putting in hard work is entire point of the game. It's just that this can't be considered a popularity contest if one guy behind a screen suddenly has eight times the say as some other guy behind a screen.

Your amount of say is, as I said earlier, entirely under your control.

Originally Posted by Zaradai

It has less to do about the units, It's the fact that we are considered less important than people no different to us.

But we are different than you are. My gameplay method was labeled 'nolife' because I place a higher priority on this game than your co-complainer is willing to place on it. Your importance to the game is in direct proportion to the effort you put into it.

Originally Posted by Zaradai

Why is it that you are "entitled" to decide who is worthy to hold a larger saying than others and yet no else can? And at what point do consider people suddenly worthy of being considered twice, 3 times, even 4 times, the man of someone who just joined? 10 days? 20? 50?

It is not I who decided who is worthy to hold a larger saying...I am merely telling you how it is. It is the game itself which rewards long-term and active players. This is nothing remotely new in gaming.

Originally Posted by Zaradai

I'm registered in these forums, Saertis is registered in forums, you are not. And yet, we listen to what you say, and we disagree. We could say "we've been here longer, you are not entitled to an opinion" yet we don't, since that's not true.

Your forum registrations on a non-Nutaku site certainly make you entitled to more privileges than I am...on this non-Nutaku site. These include name recognition (not important to me) and the ability to edit posts (not normally something I need to do). Congrats on those, I guess. I'll stick with playing the game.

Originally Posted by Zaradai

There honestly wouldn't be a problem if you didn't insult us with the "entitlement" tag. You can't be entitled to to the opinion that this is fair, if we're not entitled to the opinion that it isn't. We are all entitled to discuss till the sun goes down and comes right back up. I am also entitled to tell you, just another person behind a computer, that I feel like the idea that you are entitled to use "entitlement" as a basic insult to a person's right of expression is very hypocritical.

Well then, I suppose nobody can ever use the word entitlement, because bringing up the word itself is hypocrisy. You seem to use it a lot, though.

Looking at the results - GG - it's all over

Ok I understand Orchid....I'm tempted to just say screw this noise and throw all in with Orchid

I have NO idea why it's gone this way....maybe a few dedicate whales really want a redesign, maybe numbskulls think they'll get her

The best 'choice is' Cepha - who is 12,000 short

:-/

If someone can tell me how we got to this state please...