Nice, pre grats on 50k

Originally Posted by Shadowfae

That does not mean "frugal". You need to be willing to burn them when doing so will benefit you. You just need to make sure that it is actually going to benefit you.

Which is exactly why i'm saving radars. If i can't reach 50k for a SR this time , maybe i will in the next event.

I must say if i didnt spent around 5 bucks to get 2 R slayers it would be REALLY hard for me to get to 50k.
Used around 20 normal and half peronamins and around same normal and half puddings from the start of event (most of it at begining of phase 2) that i had thanks to hoarding those from previous event. So it's hard for f2p (but i guess much easier than getting pirate girl) to get to 50k but saying all that i really believe it's BEST event we had so far.
First of all there was finally no major issues (no keys bug was fixed in less than 24h), and what's MOST important to me is that it's stamina based so it doesn't make you log in every 25 minutes.
I really hope we will get more stamina based events.

^ nope, this event has another bug as well. probably you guys just didn't noticed it ^^

and what would that be?

^ N gacha ticket x1 + pink key only 400 pero/packet

i reported this bug to nutaku as soon as i found it, but they only fix it on 4 days later

Originally Posted by Unregistered

^ N gacha ticket x1 + pink key only 400 pero/packet

i reported this bug to nutaku as soon as i found it, but they only fix it on 4 days later

true, forgot about this one, it was fixed as soon as phase 2 started

Originally Posted by Shadowfae

"Which brings us back to the original point: How to reach those 50k. Of course if you make numbers and realize you won't ever reach 50k it's useless to throw away radars for 15 SR levels and two namins. What I was trying to point is that those radars won't give you any more advantage next event..."

This is absolutely and blatantly false, though. Slayer cards give radars a significant boost. If you don't have any slayer cards this event (or just the N ones), and think that you can get a slayer card or two in the next via whatever means (even the free e-gacha tickets), then they sure will give you more advantage in the next event. Plus, those stacked with the ones you get through that event means 2x the bouquets anyways. Stockpiling them for the next event is far, far better than throwing them away for no gain whatsoever (and not just no gain, but you are actually taking a loss since you lose a lot of other actually useful items in the process). If you have a chance of reaching 50k with them via momentum? Sure, you're definitely better off using them. If there's no way in heck you are getting 50k this event no matter what you do? You're better off pushing for level 200, collecting the extra keys / prizes / bonus rolls, and save the radars for when they can actually provide a valid edge.

It comes down to one very simple fact. If, within the first day or two of an event, you realize that you have no chance of pushing for a reward no matter how hard you try, then it's not worth wasting your resources to fail at it. That means that you not only fall behind / lose momentum, but you are more poorly placed for the next event because you squandered your stockpile for no gain whatsoever. The advice is good at its core, but then you push it to illogical extremes that make good advice become terrible.

PS: My hoarding my peroanamin stockpiles for the last two events has paid off marvelously for this one. An actual example of why your advice taken to the extreme you are doing is just not good. Free-to-play means that you have to be incredibly wise about your resource usage. That does not mean "frugal". You need to be willing to burn them when doing so will benefit you. You just need to make sure that it is actually going to benefit you.

Which is pretty much the exact point I'm trying to make: That you need to learn to balance between frugal and overspender.
Also, the moment you start talking about slayers you invalidate the whole point: F2Pers, where the only ay to not have only N-slayers is to hoard e-gacha for half a dozen events.

Also, the slayers do diddly-quat for radars. They boost BOUQUET rewards. The distinction might be slight, but it's there. The point of the radars is to give more chances of getting those bouquets rewards, that's all.
And hoarding namins is completely different here. We have had pretty much no event where burning through namins would have helped you before. Guards only need namis as long as you're trying to get like another dozen guards or so. One single full namin can easily give you up to two or three dozen guards in that event, so there's not real reason to burn through them.
Also, namins are a resource you'll get truckloads of on every event. As such, you can easily stockpile them in the hundreds in just a couple events.
Radars are only given for Gambles, so you won't be getting any more than the ones given through the event (plus a dozen or so you might get your hands on beforehand).

I didn't mean to imply that stockpiling radars would be completely useless (in fact I actually stated that it would let you push further). What I meant was that, in most cases, the amount of push the stockpile would give you would be proportional to the amount of momentum you'd have lost for stockpiling them.

We're not talking about having a x15 mltiplier from getting 12 slayers next event, as that's pretty much outside of F2Per range unless you stockpile e-gachas for a year and then have the devil's luck (Tenhou stated yesterday that it took him 35 e-gachas to get all SRs from this event).
We're talking about current situation and logical workings of the game for anybody that might be F2Ping in the future.
We get, at best, up to 3 free E-Gacha Tickets a month (1 for 30 day login bonus, 2 for 2 possible events giving e-gacha reward), and that's not even sure (only the daily login one is certain).
You can't count those into any strategy, unless you're talking about year long strategies and lots of luck.
And, the moment you buy even 1 gold worth of resources you've stopped being an F2Per. Even if you're a very lousy P2Per, you've already paid for something in-game (and no, the free 500 gold from referals still counts as buying stuff. Just because YOU didn't pay the money for the gold doesn't make it any less bought resources)

Originally Posted by YoshiEnVerde

I didn't mean to imply that stockpiling radars would be completely useless (in fact I actually stated that it would let you push further). What I meant was that, in most cases, the amount of push the stockpile would give you would be proportional to the amount of momentum you'd have lost for stockpiling them.

Exactly what momentun would we lose ? You're assuming we're sacrificing rewards from this event , to get a better result in the next 1 , but because we didn't got good enough rewards in this one (to assure a better chance in the next one ) we lose momentum . At least that's how i understand that quote , so feel free to correct me if i'm wrong. Anyway , the point is that we're not actually sacrifing anything (since radars give only bouquetes , unlike stamina pots that could give battles >> so keys/casses ) , unless we would otherwise reach 50k with them (because , let's be honest , for a f2p , getting in top 100 would be next to impossible , and even then , the standing rewards are a joke). Considering we won't reach enough bouquetes for the card , the only thing i could probably lose , is some extra SR wild cards from a better standing (and wild cards is not something i really lack anyway right now ). So , no , we don't lose momentum , we just cut our loses by hoarding the rest of the radards/consumables , instead of waste them for very little gain. At least it may give us a better start in a future event

Originally Posted by lolix

Exactly what momentun would we lose ? You're assuming we're sacrificing rewards from this event , to get a better result in the next 1 , but because we didn't got good enough rewards in this one (to assure a better chance in the next one ) we lose momentum . At least that's how i understand that quote , so feel free to correct me if i'm wrong. Anyway , the point is that we're not actually sacrifing anything (since radars give only bouquetes , unlike stamina pots that could give battles >> so keys/casses ) , unless we would otherwise reach 50k with them (because , let's be honest , for a f2p , getting in top 100 would be next to impossible , and even then , the standing rewards are a joke). Considering we won't reach enough bouquetes for the card , the only thing i could probably lose , is some extra SR wild cards from a better standing (and wild cards is not something i really lack anyway right now ). So , no , we don't lose momentum , we just cut our loses by hoarding the rest of the radards/consumables , instead of waste them for very little gain. At least it may give us a better start in a future event

Good! That's exactly what I was saying.
And radars don't give only bouquets (Strong Chances, actually, but... same difference). WHat they do is pretty much reduce the chances for normal spins to something like 1% each. You still get one normal spin (triple spins included) every 30 or 50 spins under radar.

What you're missing is that, under radar, you actually get Battle spins about twice as regular. And there is where you're losing rewards.
Outside of that? No, not really losing much. I said in my first (or second, or third...) post exactly that: If you start the event, make numbers, and realize you're not reaching the wanted goal, just don't bother burning resources and stockpile them.

The problem seems to be you're still believing I'm always talking about your specific situation, when I'm generally trying to give advice for all the newbies that will come through this to get some help... Y'know, the people that, unlike us, haven't been at this already for 4 months and half a dozen events.

The onus of my posts is always that every player needs to learn/find the right balance between stockpiling and burning resources.
The only thing specifically about your posts I've disagreed until now is that remark about the event limeds being unreachable for F2Pers

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And I fully agree with the F2P to Top100 part.
Remember those unlisted ranks I mentioned before? I consider myself rank 4 because that's the one that stops before reaching Top100. Rank 3 would be Top100, and Rank 2 Top50.

I could count the F2Pers that can reach Top100 with my hands. And I can do the same for casual P2Pers that can reach Top50.

And that's exactly my point when I talk about over-stockpiling... that no matter how much you stockpile (By you I mean any F2Per reading this), you'll never reach Top100 (or, if you do, as I have some times, it'll require pretty much full brunout of resources and 24/7 connection, and it'll be both hard to reach and hard to keep).

As such, there's a point when stockpiling resources is simply futile. The rewards are the same for all 200 players that get Top300, and they're usually marginally better than the other 200 that reach Top500. Thus, being in pos430 and stockpiling for two events to push once to reach pos290 will be a waste of two events. Same for being in Top300 and trying to push to Top100.

Currently, fact is that as long as you place Top1k (or Top500 in some events), you'll get the important limed SR, and a crapton of SR levels. After that, your only concern is divining which EP/Bouquet/Assist/Kill/etc rewards are both reachable and useful to try.