[Merry Christmas] 5+ Star Gacha Ticket Plus Thread

[Wutan]

Well..pay for convenience is a lot of it. Pay for waifu is a part of the motivation for at least some people - certainly those who spend on their favorite even when the stats don't support it. If you count having a large collection as winning, then it's arguable as P2W. (And definitely golds and rainbows are not just cosmetic). However, with no PvP there's no place where a small advantage feels critical, and unlike some other games (including some Nutaku ones) there's never a point where you will either have to grind for an enormous number of hours to make the smallest bit of progress or just pay out (which I count as P2W).
As a side note, I think the 3*/4* stuff is a bit missing the point. Even a purely free player should have (with time and diligence) a decent collection of event golds, and a reasonable number of gacha golds from free FGs. I've only been playing since mid November, and I have 8 event golds (all but Monotropasturum at BS5/E4), and from my free FG 10+1 rolls, 2 rainbows and 5 golds, and 3 more golds from 5* tickets (Christmas, starting player, starting player day 7 login). Even with more average luck (1 gold per 10+1 roll) that'd still be something like 15 golds which should be able to get through most levels.

Yeah you are right the 3*/4* stuff is a bit missing the point. But if your luck is really bad (the legendary bronze pull exists ) it could be a long time until you get a full party of Gacha 5*/Event 5* and in that case it's convenient to speed up the process( i did it). My luck is not the worst but far from the best cause i always get 5* i am not a fan of...

There are even some guys quitting Nutaku FKG recently because of there bad luck and gem starving. If there luck will be better on DMM is another Story but they have more chances to roll something good cause DMM Players get much more free gems than us.

Your luck is solid though cause you already got 2 Rainbows and 5 Gacha Golds. You also started at the right time (Black Friday Deals, 5* Tickets etc.).

Let's say it's convenient to pay for Girls you actually want.

Not all Event Girls are good though. Heck there are a few Event Girls which are weaker than some 4*. Calla and Gentian are considered one of the weakest Event Girls. Same goes for Gacha 5*: Gerberea has lackluster Abilities and stats (HP is really bad, her attack stat is good), Bipinna Cosmos isn't that good until she gets her Skill Buff (damage becomes 1,8x to all enemies) and her Bloomed Form. She works decently in a Shine Crystal Collector Squad but there are still other Girls outclassing here.

So unless the mentioned Girls are considered waifus it's better to replace them asap.

And yes i agree: If you are a Collector and you want all available Girls it's definetely P2W.

[Eab1990]

Pay 2 waifu is everything about looks, and stats are a generally an afterthought. AKA it's less about "I need a unit that can do X", it's more about "I want this unit because my dick compels me".

In Aigis, there's plenty of units who are niche at best, if not nigh-useless, but have great designs, so people level/awaken them anyway, like, say, the sailors.

In FKG, I barely pay attention to stats/abilities either. Do I *need* a character that can negate speed panels? No, I have Lilac for that (let's conveniently ignore how she would plain not drop for me the first time her spotlight came). Is Nerine/Christmas Rose sexable? Absolutely.

[sniddy]

All the terms we come up with

that said, Convenience is a good word for it. Pay to Waifu isn't quite right since as you said, their stats and abilities make it easier to clear maps (as you said, even though you CAN clear it with 3/4*s, it's neither easy nor particularly fun for most people)

Pay for convenience is the pinnacle of well built freemium gaming

I still think Nutake have the pay point set way too high, $20 for a 6* would temp me a lot more then $60

I'm sure they've decided some whales > more minnows, at least I hope they have but right now I wonder if the greed will ultimately lead to the fall of the game

[IvanLedah21]

Pay for convenience is the pinnacle of well built freemium gaming

I still think Nutake have the pay point set way too high, $20 for a 6* would temp me a lot more then $60

I'm sure they've decided some whales > more minnows, at least I hope they have but right now I wonder if the greed will ultimately lead to the fall of the game

This new deal is a step in the right direction, but that's after a couple of very wrong steps (they actually ticked off a lot of established whales, and only a handful actually went for the last few, at least among those on Discord). $50-60 has historically been the established price for guaranteed 6*s ($30ish for 5*), but the last couple deals have been gold-centric at prices on par with rainbows or worse. Their greed probably kicked them in the rear hard enough for them to spit out a deal like this (given the deals since BF's insanely good one, I doubt their holiday sales totals were where they somehow expected), but I'm not getting my hopes up for continued good deals. Time will tell, I suppose.

That said, your first sentence is truth. Freemium gaming survives on PFC, because even with costs being low compared to many companies (salaries, rent, equipment, etc. but no cost for materials for manufacturing, for example) it's obviously unsustainable if you don't get SOME gamers to pay.

[warf]

This new deal is a step in the right direction, but that's after a couple of very wrong steps (they actually ticked off a lot of established whales, and only a handful actually went for the last few, at least among those on Discord). $50-60 has historically been the established price for guaranteed 6*s ($30ish for 5*), but the last couple deals have been gold-centric at prices on par with rainbows or worse. Their greed probably kicked them in the rear hard enough for them to spit out a deal like this (given the deals since BF's insanely good one, I doubt their holiday sales totals were where they somehow expected), but I'm not getting my hopes up for continued good deals. Time will tell, I suppose.

That said, your first sentence is truth. Freemium gaming survives on PFC, because even with costs being low compared to many companies (salaries, rent, equipment, etc. but no cost for materials for manufacturing, for example) it's obviously unsustainable if you don't get SOME gamers to pay.

Sorry, with all due respect, you have no idea what you are talking about. Everything they did was STRATEGY.

If 6*s always costs $10 every single event, and suddenly they have one that costs $45, people are going to complain that it's a horrible deal, etc.

They have to have those other deals, so that when these deals come, people are more likely to want to pay for them, because, psychology.

[IvanLedah21]

Sorry, with all due respect, you have no idea what you are talking about. Everything they did was STRATEGY.

If 6*s always costs $10 every single event, and suddenly they have one that costs $45, people are going to complain that it's a horrible deal, etc.

They have to have those other deals, so that when these deals come, people are more likely to want to pay for them, because, psychology.

I wish I could honestly disagree with you... that what I said wasn't "thinking positively"...

Unfortunately, given N's record... you're probably right...

Excuse me, I need to cry for a moment. Reality is so cold and cruel sometimes... :'(

[Eab1990]

We had this discussion earlier though (then again maybe it was a different thread, considering this whole thread is a clusterfuck already).

I think most of us were in agreement that having great deals in November and bad deals in December was too drastic of a change. November likely brought in a bunch of new, first-time spenders, and December probably turned them away just as quickly. It's especially bad to overcharge on "sales" during a holiday spending season when most people's budgets are tight. Cutting down the number of potential whales doesn't seem like a sound strategy.

[Unregistered]

We had this discussion earlier though (then again maybe it was a different thread, considering this whole thread is a clusterfuck already).

I think most of us were in agreement that having great deals in November and bad deals in December was too drastic of a change. November likely brought in a bunch of new, first-time spenders, and December probably turned them away just as quickly. It's especially bad to overcharge on "sales" during a holiday spending season when most people's budgets are tight. Cutting down the number of potential whales doesn't seem like a sound strategy.

Not sure I agree. There really are more than 1 type of "whale".

First of all, there are the whale whales. These are probably kids of wealthy people, and to them, money is like water. You know there is a limited supply, but you just use it whenever you want without thinking too much about being wasteful. To them, as long as there's something they like, they'll pay. Doesn't matter if it's $60 or $45 or $200. To them, that difference is similar to ordinary folks thinking about whether something is 5 for 1 cent or 6 for 1 cent. i.e, it doesn't matter.

Then there are the dolphins. These people are relatively generous with their money, but do not have as deep pockets as the former. But then, these people probably aren't going to spend every month either. So better to just sacrifice a month to set up expectations, and then surpass their expectations the next month to make sure they pay.

So either way, their strategy is good. Of course, all of that is just purely theoretical, you can also have any number of counter arguments against mine. In the end, what matters is actual hard data, which I'm sure they're looking very closely at, and which we do not have.

[IvanLedah21]

Not sure I agree. There really are more than 1 type of "whale".

First of all, there are the whale whales. These are probably kids of wealthy people, and to them, money is like water. You know there is a limited supply, but you just use it whenever you want without thinking too much about being wasteful. To them, as long as there's something they like, they'll pay. Doesn't matter if it's $60 or $45 or $200. To them, that difference is similar to ordinary folks thinking about whether something is 5 for 1 cent or 6 for 1 cent. i.e, it doesn't matter.

Then there are the dolphins. These people are relatively generous with their money, but do not have as deep pockets as the former. But then, these people probably aren't going to spend every month either. So better to just sacrifice a month to set up expectations, and then surpass their expectations the next month to make sure they pay.

So either way, their strategy is good. Of course, all of that is just purely theoretical, you can also have any number of counter arguments against mine. In the end, what matters is actual hard data, which I'm sure they're looking very closely at, and which we do not have.

Your theory is fairly sound, but EAB's point about the timing still stands, IMO. Holiday season is a really bad time to have terrible deals for pretty much ANY business.

[nazrin992]

I guess Nutaku thought people will prioritize their holiday money with spending on Nutaku because Nutaku is teh BESTZ EVAR at marketing