[Merry Christmas] 5+ Star Gacha Ticket Plus Thread

[Aidoru]

Yes, and every other concept the top DMM games run on, P2W.

[Eab1990]

I literally just presented how Aigis was not P2W, and you completely ignored it like the rest of my posts.

In case you already need a refresher.

Take Aigis, for example. With the exception of majin maps (which are specifically meant to challenge whales), all maps are clearable with free units, and silver-only guides exist for such players. Certain event units can only be maxed through SC recharges, but in most cases, it doesn't make-or-break the unit, and on DMM, revivals exist for those players anyway. Therefore, not P2W, pay to waifu.

Aigis is pay to waifu. No, I don't need a princess to clear this map, but do I like this princess? Yes, and I will spend money to gamble to get her. But I can clear this stage without her, even if I have to use a different unit, or need to follow this video guide to the second and grind tons of other lesser units to make up for it. That is pay to waifu.

[Aidoru]

I didn't ignore it. You used it as an example but said there was an exception for whales. Why does it get an exception? Because it literally contradicts everything you said if the features aren't excluded? Because you needed a reason to prove it isn't F2P when content isn't completely doable by everyone?

I haven't played the game so I can only go base off by what you said and this isn't the Aigis board, which is why I didn't bother responding to that part.

[Eab1990]

I didn't ignore it. You used it as an example but said there was an exception for whales. Why does it get an exception? Because it literally contradicts everything? Because you needed a reason to prove it isn't F2P when content isn't completely doable by everyone?

I haven't played the game so I can only go base off by what you said.

Majin maps are specifically geared towards whales, but that doesn't mean free players are barred from it, nor are they missing out on anything by not doing it. They were made to present a challenge for those people, but believe it or not, people have cleared them with free event units as well.

The nature of F2P is different in Aigis though, due to the vast number of free units they get, thus forcing people to divide their resources, and even veterans don't know which unit might be useful later on, or which units might get buffed/nerfed. Plus the RNG involved in actually getting some of them, AND the RNG in actually improving them (reducing their cost, increasing their skill level). And a whole bunch of other things that can fuck with how a map plays out.

They're called guides because they serve as a base for how to clear a map, not exactly because they're to be followed to the second (though they certainly can be). Regardless, to my knowledge, there hasn't been a map that is completely impossible for free players, just that said subset of free players might not have the resources available just because there are so many damn units to keep track of.

And yet again, there isn't a form of competition to be had here. Paying only benefits oneself in the ease of actually clearing maps, and even then, paying players are subject to the same amount of grinding that free players do. Beyond that, it's another waifu collecting game like FKG.

People have different opinions on the matter of what pay to win and gacha games are, attacking others that have different opinions on the subject matter accomplishes nothing.

If it was just about "advantages" being overblown, I could at least agree to disagree, but actually going so far as to claim it's P2W is outright false. There are real P2W games that comparing to FKG would be insulting to do so, and Aidoru doesn't seem to be able to take the hint because fuck logic.

Even Aigis benefits paying players a TON more than FKG treats its players, including blessings that outright provide temporary flat buffs to their units, or simply using recharges to cover for any mistakes or fill in the gaps of particularly demanding events. And yet it still isn't P2W for the reasons I listed.

[Aidoru]

It's not fuck logic, it's simply obvious that your definition of P2W is different from mines and several others who have posted. The only difference is I bothered to actually reply. And I've already gone over different values of P2W games, just because one has less P2W content than another game doesn't make it something else.

[Eab1990]

Implying I'm the weird one and not you, even though several people even jokingly responded that it's not P2W on the similar basis that there's nothing "to win".

I'm just the only one bored enough to call you out on your bullshit.

You and smr are also weird for apparently not having heard of the term "pay to waifu" before.

[nazrin992]

I thought pay to waifu is just a wordplay to pay to win

[Aidoru]

I've only started playing Nutaku games about 2 months ago, as mentioned before. Before that, the only game I knew of was KaneColle, which I was never interested enough to play. I have no plans on ever using the discord chats.

And in the end, the problem is mostly because I don't intake the phrase the same way as you. You seem to take it in a literal sense, especially the "win" part. For me, win isn't just some kind of competition in some PvP themed game or some leader board , it's moving far ahead of other players, being able to reach the end game and often with a lot less effort because you can't win MMOs in the first place and yet many are P2W. It's not so much about winning but all the advantages one gets over the other, yes I will keep using this word, that paying players have. I won't bother to type out the rest, you can go read the rest of all the previous pages.

[Rupturez]

Seems there has been a lot of shitstorm in this thread while I was sleep.

I'll just throw in my two cents.

-While I understand your sentiment of saying that this game is p2w because Nutaku fking gem starves their free players so incredibly bad to the point we are blowing 700 stamina on a reissue just to get 1 gem, no this game is not pay to win. There is nothing to win.

-Someone stated that the people unhappy with this ticket are ungrateful and spoiled and wish for this to never happen again. Well you're right. I would have rather that this shit did not happen, and I am spoiled and ungrateful. First thing I notice though is that all these players saying this got either a new gold or rainbow while claiming "a dupe gold would have been good as well." Well nice fucking saint shit going there, but I'm not like that. If it was a guaranteed 5* for everyone or 6* for everyone, I would be thrilled. I would be glad to recieve a christmas present like that even if I pull a dupe out of it. But if you make an unleveled playing field in such a simple thing as a christmas present, how can I possibly be thrilled? You can't even begin to imagine what RNG luck I've dealt with in this game since release and now I get even MORE rng in my present.