[Merry Christmas] 5+ Star Gacha Ticket Plus Thread

[Zandel]

I've already explained away the conveniences and lack of competition means the game is pay to waifu instead.

-You don't *have* to have a full set of rainbows or gacha golds.
-You don't *have* to max out your girls instantly.
-Having ~500k total power means nothing when you can clear most of the game with ~300k TP.
-None of the game's events (except for a really bad streak in gacha events like Monotropastrum) are so stamina-demanding that you must be level 100+ to hope to get a 5/4 event girl.

And once again, I already brought up how Aigis is much the same since most of the game's content can be done with all free units. Except free is highly subjective due to the sheer number of units given out vs. what's in the shrine, and it's obviously much more challenging, usually requires guide videos to avoid endless trial-and-error, and not having certain units can highly limit your freedom to improvise on the fly, should you screw up the timing of a map.

Aidoru and Zandel and whoever else don't want to see the distinction between the two, despite all arguments to the contrary.

Just because you decide to make up a new term yourself does not mean it actually exists. 'Pay-to-Waifu' is just another way of saying Pay-to-Win no matter how stupid you want to be about it.

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Point 1: Stamina/Raid Point refills are widely considered among the worst ways to use FG outside of last day of an event to make sure your event girl is maxed out. Speed up the leveling? Nice, but not necessary. Clear the game content in under a week? Why would you want to PAY to clear a game in a week and then be bored? Considering early levels speed by, by the time you've spent 10 FGs on stamina refills, you could easily be sufficient levels to clear most content, perhaps needing strong helper squads to do certain ultimate maps. 10 FGs, 15 at worst, is hardly in the realm of having to pay.

Point 2: P2W =/= Catering to impatient people, it means catering to people willing to spend massive money to get ahead of others playing, presumably because it gives them a decisive edge. If for you, it's about getting what you want, not making it easier/faster, why are you so hung up on FKG being a P2W game? Why does it even matter to you? I recommend you go look up some of the "worst P2W games ever" lists out there. While Hearthstone is mentioned by some people (I'm bringing it up because the cards you can get by paying are obtainable eventually without paying, like FKG), do note it is almost entirely based on PVP content. In fact, every game on those lists (maybe a rare exception here and there) is heavily/entirely PVP, which FKG has NONE of. Many people I know, including on this board, would call a game P2W when you pay to get ahead of people YOU ARE DIRECTLY COMPETING WITH (Nutaku's Pero Pero Seduction and to a lesser extent Angelic Saga are much more viable targets for the P2W label).

Point 3: "Pay money into this game you will gain an advantage over others" ...Right. Advantage over others when the biggest form of "competition" is your Friends List TP ranking. And that means how much, exactly? If there's no competition between players, I can't understand why P2W would even come up. Pay For Convenience? Definitely. Pay to Waifu? Obviously. Pay for Roster Completion? Of course. Pay to Win? Not seeing it.

Again, it's a point-of-view matter in the end, but trying to tell someone that your definition is "right" and he's wrong (and implying that he's stupid for not telling you your POV is right in that last sentence when I pointed out an issue with it in Point 3) is not going to get you anywhere, especially since you seem to be in the minority here.

Point 1: Never said it was a good idea just pointing out that it is possible.
Point 2: PvP or not you can get ahead of others with cash that by definition is Pay-to-Win.
Point 3: for first half see above response, for second part as I stated with Eab all those terms are just another way of saying Pay-to-Win.

Also I have not said that Pay-to-Win is a bad thing. Just stating the truth of the situation that this game is pay-to-win no matter how you want to argue otherwise. I find it strange that so many people take offence to it being that way, like pay to win is always a bad thing. When done correctly it's not, WoT is a good example for instance.