Originally Posted by A Time to Screw

While the act of creating giant snowballs and icicles out of thin air is itself magical, smashing them into the enemy at high velocity is not.

Whether you're shooting a mass of ice at an enemy using a machine, or propelling said mass of ice towards the enemy with magic, the end result is that the enemy gets wrecked by blunt trauma.

At least that's how I see it. Although the actual attack animations ingame tend to over exaggerate skills making everything explode in a sparkle of magic anyways that makes everything seem magical.

Maybe if Laurentia's grenades visually exploded more like real life fragmented grenades, propelling shrapnel in all directions and shredding enemy, the pierce effect would be more easily justifiable. But we just get sparkles instead because that's just like our favorite Chinese Cartoons.

While I think it's technical correct and it would make sense as well to explain these odd cases like that, I think it would cause a problem of inconsistency. Because if this is true, then most magic units we have so far shoudn't be magic untis at all. After all most things they create deal damage by cutting, piercing or hitting the enemy. Of course there can also be other types of damage like conjouring flames and burning the enemies but this isn't the case for most current girls.

When i started the game i was confused that girls with guns are atcually magic types. I mean the way they damage something is obv by piercing. Which is the same way a bow for example works and they're pierce types. But i could agree on it if the logic is something like: since this world does not possess technology, guns are just means to conjure magic and shoot this at the enemy. So it would mean that as long as an attack is conjured by magic it would be a magic type no matter how it deals damage in the end. The categories, on the one side hit, slice and pierce and on the other side magic aren't divided by a clear border rather magic can be any of them as long it's "created by magic".

This example shall not say this is the way it should work or even is working. It's just the logic that I believed was behind the decision which category a girl is. So for me both ideas would have a logic behind them which could make them correct. But what i ask of a fantasy game is not that it's necessarily technical correct but rather that it's consistent with it's own laws and it'S logic. So it would have to choose which of the logics it wants to use.
(As long as there isn't a way to combine both which i might have overseen :P)

Originally Posted by Ashen

When i started the game i was confused that girls with guns are atcually magic types. I mean the way they damage something is obv by piercing. Which is the same way a bow for example works and they're pierce types. But i could agree on it if the logic is something like: since this world does not possess technology, guns are just means to conjure magic and shoot this at the enemy.

And then you have Kale with her guns but she's a pierce type, and all that internal logic just goes sideways.

My personal experience on E-4 so far:
All 5 top: more chests, highest trophies in one run (about 5300). But most common result is around 4700 trophies and my worst was about 4200 (one of the squads was looping too long and timed out without hitting the 700 trophy near the end).
All 5 mid: only 2 chests, but my result is a bit more consistently around 5100 trophies.
As to how stamina intensive the event is, well I guess we'll see. I'm on the 4th page (3 resets) - first two were quick (16 and 10 pulls), third one was slow (46 pulls). Like all previous pages I'll reset this one when I get the rare item, nothing else is valuable enough to me on this page either. It's only 3 days into this event out of about 13 so I'm not panicked about how stamina intensive it is or isn't yet.
If there are additional pages to the gacha to be added in phase 2, any guesses on what the rare items would be? Or does the additional pages thing seem like it might not pan out here? (Since the additional pages were available in the Pine gacha from the start, I don't really know if that's a thing or not).

Originally Posted by kringley

And then you have Kale with her guns but she's a pierce type, and all that internal logic just goes sideways.

My personal experience on E-4 so far:
All 5 top: more chests, highest trophies in one run (about 5300). But most common result is around 4700 trophies and my worst was about 4200 (one of the squads was looping too long and timed out without hitting the 700 trophy near the end).
All 5 mid: only 2 chests, but my result is a bit more consistently around 5100 trophies.
As to how stamina intensive the event is, well I guess we'll see. I'm on the 4th page (3 resets) - first two were quick (16 and 10 pulls), third one was slow (46 pulls). Like all previous pages I'll reset this one when I get the rare item, nothing else is valuable enough to me on this page either. It's only 3 days into this event out of about 13 so I'm not panicked about how stamina intensive it is or isn't yet.
If there are additional pages to the gacha to be added in phase 2, any guesses on what the rare items would be? Or does the additional pages thing seem like it might not pan out here? (Since the additional pages were available in the Pine gacha from the start, I don't really know if that's a thing or not).

Just to make sure (since I don't think that I properly said it) I was complaining about the lack of consistence^^

About the event: I also have my most consistent runs if i put 4 to 5 squads into the middle.
I'm now at the 4th page with 7 pulls there. I needed for both gacha-1 and gacha-3 44 pulls and for gacha-2 I needed 1 pull

Every group has a 1/4 chance of making a bee-line for the goal on e-4. They all need to avoid that and also make it to the 700 node before stopping if you're going to get more than 5k. I think e-3 gives a higher average per stamina with everyone starting on the loop.

I still haven't got to 5K lol

I put all 5 on the most bottom node

With varying setups, I got varying results.
Putting 5 girls on the left side loop gives a good chance at staying near 5k it seems, but I've had 4,300 from that setup as well.
Placing 5 girls at the top also can go as low as 4,300 (or even a little below that), but has a much higher potential. Provided all girls, one way or another, enter the right side loop, and stay in that outside loop with the burgers for a couple of rounds. Personal record is 5,900 there.

Overal, I generally go for the default setup, avaraging me about 4,750. (crude guestimate). It's usually less, but the couple of peaks do raise that avarage by a lot.

I run Advanced, placing all girls on the left starting spot that leads to the big loops. Least I got was 2k1. Average I get is somewhere between 2k4 and 2k5. And once per while I get a nice runs that are above 3k, record being 4k9. Adding the fact that you have more exp/stamina thus more level ups, and also that you don't need to have awesome squads and can do it AFK (which I can't in Ultimate) in my eyes makes it best farming place.

Thou its all useless cause looking on what I have managed to farm I look at something close to 650k total for whole event, if I use 50% more for second half when phase 2 starts thats still only 800-820k. Where to clear all I need close to 1400 if they don't change anything vs first post info. First 2 resets I got on last pull (thou I did 10 pulls at once). 3rd one I gone with 2-5 pulls at once and got reset enabled at total 40 spins. Didn't reset yet and I am kinda waiting to see what people report about cost going up (a.k.a. if something is different than first post).

Overall this event looks like first one I would need to farm from day 1 hour 1 till last day last minute and still wont be able to get all. While every previous event was doable before even half of phase 2.